Gay Marriage

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The preists "raping" children was a one or 2 time event in america (dunno about europe) but it was never even proved. And before making comments like that about religion consider that people who post here feel the same way about religion as you do about homosexuality (i.e me) and you should know that not everyone is entitled to youre exact opinions :\
 
Winter, if you were a soccer team and the opponents didn't show up... you would still be behind by a good few goals :teehee: just a big laugh, thanks for that :P

Oh and a hint: if you make your posts longer, doesn't mean they become any better. :tired:
 
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Ice said:
Winter, if you were a soccer team and the opponents didn't show up... you would still be behind by a good few goals :teehee: just a big laugh, thanks for that :P

Oh and a hint: if you make your posts longer, doesn't mean they become any better. :tired:

Yeh but at least he makes a good argument. If you don't want to back your opinions up then why are you still here? :afro:
 
To see his spectacular own goals. I have made my point and as long as he doesn't get back to that I am no more than a spectator :cool:
 
sobo said:
Menace:
I cant answer because at this point I wouldnt want a child at all. When Im ready for that views on things will have changed. atm Id of course not deny the child but let it know that it is not normal.
A harsh comparison: maybe a child has a certain disability. I would support it but I myself and I think the child aswell would know that the child is not normal.
What's "normal" to you? Being average in every way?

Why is it so desirable to be "normal" and what's so horrible about not being normal as long as you're not hurting anybody?
 
Wintermute said:
Anni, get over it.

Religion is a joke, and the sick punchline is when people believe the bull. whether someone is gay or not is a state of being, like the colour of their skin. Religion is something that people choose to do.

and yes, there are very good reasons to believe that people who get really into religion *ARE* wackos.

Because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

ok m8, have a nice day, obviously ur pov is always correct, strong man being lead by facts in his life :party:

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I never intended to go into a discussion about ppl having a religion, I was just pointing out that ur being a two-faced joker.

Goodday!
 
before making comments like that about religion consider that people who post here feel the same way about religion as you do about homosexuality

How is this possible? They are two totally different things :confused: Like Wintermute said, religion is a thing which someone chooses to do, while homosexuality is something people have far less control over.
 
this will probably sound stupid, but from my understanding of genetics, you inherit your parents genes, which mix together and form a new dna code which descibes you. Through this process you inherit your parents attributes. Now in order for evolution to "jump" you get genetic mutations. From darwinism the successful genetic mutations live on and reproduce and pass the successful mutation onto their children. Unsucessful ones are lost because the owners die. This is for physical/athletic mutations. Now with mental ones no-one can say whether its right or wrong. homosexuals, last time i checked, cant naturally reproduce with each other, so the mutation cannot be passed on. Therefore you cannot inherit homosexuality from your parents unless it is a ressesive gene, assuming that a homosexual doesnt reproduce with a hetrosexual. If it is recessive, and both your parents are carriers you have a 1 in 4 chance of it becoming dominant (ie, both genes being the same). From this, if it is a genetic trait, then it is a very popular mutation as it cannot be passed down.

Btw, you want me to respect a hatred against another human being? you can dislike people and I can respect that, but when you want to pass laws based on them it is a hatred, dislike sugests you are willing to tolerate it. Also you want me to respect your view that religeon "owns" marriage, even tho it predates your faith. In a court of law, proving prior use invalidates copyrights, this law is based on logical reasoning to prevent mis use. If you were a racist, would you expect me to respect your hatred of black people? I can respect other beliefs but not their hatreds. To me a hatred is not a belief, its a state of mind, you may have reached this state of mind through belief, but that doesnt make it into a belief itself. eg, i believe that homophobics are wrong, however it doesnt make me dislike them as people are more then on belief.

More wars have been started by people stating that their hatred of another is a belief, therefore its ok and should be tolerated. Then stated that everyone in their society shares their belief and therefore has hatred towards others. Then because every1 who is on their side hates the others they become the rightous and should go and remove the others. If it goes wrong, they hide behind their society and throw their hands up, saying it wasnt me personnaly, it was my societys beliefs. eg. Hitler hated the jews, he made the belief that the jews caused the germans to loose ww1. He got a few people to believe this with him, then went and started killing jews on behalf of germany.

here, people hate homosexuals, they make the belief that marriage should exclude homosexuals as marriage is their private club, they go and lobby goverments to make it illegalm when some1 complains they hide behind their religeon saying it was their religeons doing, and that many people cant be wrong.
 
Useless:

So terrorists chose to kill people, because that's their very own descision?

Christians live by rules just because they want to?

They force themselves to it, because they get promised a better life after death. It's not as simple as you put it there :\
 
sobo said:
Menace:
I cant answer because at this point I wouldnt want a child at all. When Im ready for that views on things will have changed. atm Id of course not deny the child but let it know that it is not normal.
A harsh comparison: maybe a child has a certain disability. I would support it but I myself and I think the child aswell would know that the child is not normal.
U would let ur kid know its not normall? Why u cant respect the fact ur kid is gay? So fucking what? In my opinion what is unnatural going against his/her feelings. I'm raised respecting ppl for their sexuality/nationality or whatsoever, and I will raise mine (in teh very future :p:) like this.
 
ok.

terrorists dont kill people for fun, they do it because they hate someone, or hate a belief. Eg, muslims hating christian belifs etc. If they just disliked them then they probably wouldnt attack. Their hatred may have come from their familys being killed by the other side, this doesnt make them into terrorists, obvioulsy they will dislike the people who killed their famillies. That doesnt force them to go out and kill people. If i was stood infront of you, and some1 put a gun in my hand and said kill, doesnt mean i would pull the trigger. It is my decision.

Christians live by rules because they choose to believe them. Believeing in rules is fine, unless the rules affect other people, or say you have to hate other people. Eg. some religeous terrorists believe that allah will reward them in the after life for killing the enemy, now you wouldnt want me to respect their belief, and let them kill you because of it?

my understanding of beliefs is that you cant have a belief forced on you, if it is, then it isnt a belief its a rule. If you do something you dont believe in because you think you will get a reward at end of it is it still right? if god is all knowing, will he still reward you for doing things you dont believe in?
 
btw, ICE how old are you? do you understand the concept of true love? ie not physical attraction, but real love? Whats the longest you have had a partner? I dont think you can form a belief on this subject without this pre-requisit, as you have no first hand experiance to base it on. However you could be programmed with this belief, because thats the way you were brought up, also you have probably been told, these are our beliefs, you are one of us, therefore these beliefs are yours. Think, what really is your belief? and you cant have your own belief without a reason, without a reason you have no cause. Whats annoying winter and others, i think, is that your stating this belief of your religeon wothout backign it up with any reason of your own, eg, saying that you dont like gays because they look at you funny coukld be a reason and then i could accept this as your belief, however until you have a reason its some1 elses belief.
 
i never will have any first hand experience in gay love, but that is more than fine by me. have you had any?
i have experience with gay people and that plus the fact that i get sick when i think of gay love is all i need to base my opinion on.

seriously, i didn't even have to think about my heterosexual love experiences before putting my opinion about gay love here, because my opinion stands and nothing can change it.
 
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i was refering to any kind of love. Gay love (id imagine) is the same as hetrosexual love, im talking about the feeling not the physical part. So, have you had any real relationships with anyone based on love rather then physical appearence etc? if not you dont know what your oposing. Also you say when you think about gay love it makes you sick, what do you define as gay love? physical or mental? and why does it make you sick?
 
PyROm said:
So, have you had any real relationships with anyone based on love rather then physical appearence etc? if not you dont know what your oposing. Also you say when you think about gay love it makes you sick, what do you define as gay love? physical or mental? and why does it make you sick?

any relationship that lasts longer than a few days/weeks has to base on real love in my opinion, so yes i have had experiences with it. not as much as married people of course, but anyway, as i said no matter what my experience about this is, it has no connection whatsoever to gay love for me. it doesn't affect my opinion about it.
i can't feel love for men, don't ask me why. i could probably get some link that "proves" that it is in the genes to love the opposite gender.

as for experiences with gay people (at one point i wanted to put it, but forgot about it): i've had two (yes, TWO) gay guys in my class at school. the one was just strange, not having many friends, quiet all the time etc, but the other one was exactly like most other gays i got to see and experience: very arrogant, not just about his gayness, but about every little detail in the daily life. he was always right (thought he was), had a double morale (so if you did a certain thing it was wrong, when he did it it was ok), didn't want to admit mistakes; in fact, wintermute could be gay aswell.
so that was not just a one day experience, but almost two years of extreme annoyance and i am marked by it.
adding to that, MANY gay people have an extremely disturbing and significant voice when they are talking, which sounds all arrogant by itself.
 
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ok, stop editing, its hard to keep up :P

I can accept that because the concept of homosexuality makes you feel ill you dont like the idea of anything releated, which is where your belief that gays shouldnt be allowed to marry. I accept that as your own belief and can respect that you dont like the idea. Thats very differnt from saying that you dont liek gays because its against religeon. As its not connected to religeon, I assume you wouldnt be so extreme to actually want to ban gay people from getting married aka civil partnership?

based on that I guess people will judge you on fact that you have an automatic response to the concept of gay people (assumeingly programmed by extreme tv or porn sites), rather then just repeating some1 elses thoughts.

I dont agree but can respect that belief based on logic. The issue for you is the concept of gay people rather then the act of marrage.