Ban Cheaters?

[Maber]

It is quite amusing how the cNp players all decided to post consecutively after each other when Torp spoke about the accusation.

Not really. When i saw this accusation about an investigation on a cNp player, i showed this to my
clan. Most of them just laughed at it, but i wasnt satisfied with ignoring it. So i contacted Anthrax.
At the end of the day it showed that this was nothing but a random bullshit spread, cause Torp dont
like me. I wont even respond to Torps later mature posts, cause it has nothing to do with this topic
anyway.

Now i fuck off to Clanbase (as Torp so nicely put it).

 

[brajan]

Perhaps we (the community and admins) ought to discuss whether we should form some sort of an anti-cheating committee such as ClanBase has. This could either be a temporary committee to assure the UTA community that the cheat protection is in order or it could be a more-permanant committee which consistently deals with accusations of cheating. I don't think it would hurt to work with clanbase with sharing the information of known cheaters, but I don't think that we ought to immediately ban people just because they were banned somewhere else. Members of this committee could spectate people banned from other communities, and if we worked with CB it's possible UTA might get a little more attention over there. The formation of such a committee would shoud the UTA and UT community that UTA is committed to doing its best to rival cheating and if cheating is as rampant as some people say it is they could put forth an effort to catch cheaters (I'm sure the 4 admins currently don't have enough time to check over the hundreds of matches played every day) and give some much-needed peace of mind to the general UTA population.

I just quote this till someone replies.

I have already sent PM's to 2 CB admins about it. Waiting for reply atm.
As for watching info about banned CB players .... yea i am watching it.
As for anticheat committee ... hmm ... we got 3 ppl doing different things atm. IF i repeat IF there is some very skilled and trustworthy programmer here i would be glad to see him in this team.
Some other things just should not be posted on public forums so EOT!

 

[deadly]

Couple of points:

#1 wish is saying we can check logs for evidence of him cheating, etc etc

NO.. absolute bullshit, if you are cheating, and have a properly setup hook, it is very very unlikely you will ever get caught. So looking at logs, and in most cases even demos, is completely useless - there are cheats out there which do not get detected and are almost impossible to spot while watching demos (assuming the user isnt an idiot)

which brings me to...

#2 Once someone has been caught cheating, it confirms that they are prepared to use a cheat in the game. This throws ALL trust out of the window. For example, m1c - he has been caught AT LEAST twice, I simply do not trust the little cunt. He has proven to this community he cannot be trusted. Everytime someone like him does a good shot with sniper/shock/whatever.. theres always doubt in the back of your mind that hes dodgy. It is offputting for others playing against him, and I personally would rather see him banned permanently

I accept that he isn't but he deserves all the shit he gets IMO.

@wish - I do believe you haven't cheated in a league game/pug for the time you've said, but you are still one of the people I consider dodgy in the league, and I think your attitude to people and the game makes that worse. I'm sure if I played in a clan with you, or played more games alongside you, I would probably trust you more. Much like I trust pete, who was caught a very long time ago too. I know his gamestyle, I've played DM, iCTF and AS with him, and I am 100% confident he doesn't and never will cheat again.

What the people who've been caught in the past, however long ago, have to understand is that they lost people's trust when they were busted, and they will have to work very hard to earn it back. Having a shitty attitude, like m1c and wish, doesn't help in earning the trust back.. and tbh it results in threads like these.

I still stick by banning the fuckers 1st time from now on.. the game is too old and the cheats are well known enough nowadays for it every to be excuses.. oh and to clarify, I mean any hack, eg a trigger bot, aimbot, radar, wallhack.. anything which is knowingly installed and configured.. should result in a permanent ban... using map bugs, game bugs etc while its not on, it doesnt deserve the same punishment at all.

Well said,

 

[LocoMouse]

kankercheaters

 

[Joko]

Couple of points:

#1 wish is saying we can check logs for evidence of him cheating, etc etc

NO.. absolute bullshit, if you are cheating, and have a properly setup hook, it is very very unlikely you will ever get caught. So looking at logs, and in most cases even demos, is completely useless - there are cheats out there which do not get detected and are almost impossible to spot while watching demos (assuming the user isnt an idiot)

which brings me to...

#2 Once someone has been caught cheating, it confirms that they are prepared to use a cheat in the game. This throws ALL trust out of the window. For example, m1c - he has been caught AT LEAST twice, I simply do not trust the little cunt. He has proven to this community he cannot be trusted. Everytime someone like him does a good shot with sniper/shock/whatever.. theres always doubt in the back of your mind that hes dodgy. It is offputting for others playing against him, and I personally would rather see him banned permanently

I accept that he isn't but he deserves all the shit he gets IMO.

@wish - I do believe you haven't cheated in a league game/pug for the time you've said, but you are still one of the people I consider dodgy in the league, and I think your attitude to people and the game makes that worse. I'm sure if I played in a clan with you, or played more games alongside you, I would probably trust you more. Much like I trust pete, who was caught a very long time ago too. I know his gamestyle, I've played DM, iCTF and AS with him, and I am 100% confident he doesn't and never will cheat again.

What the people who've been caught in the past, however long ago, have to understand is that they lost people's trust when they were busted, and they will have to work very hard to earn it back. Having a shitty attitude, like m1c and wish, doesn't help in earning the trust back.. and tbh it results in threads like these.

I still stick by banning the fuckers 1st time from now on.. the game is too old and the cheats are well known enough nowadays for it every to be excuses.. oh and to clarify, I mean any hack, eg a trigger bot, aimbot, radar, wallhack.. anything which is knowingly installed and configured.. should result in a permanent ban... using map bugs, game bugs etc while its not on, it doesnt deserve the same punishment at all.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Morpheus]

aye idd.

 

[yako]

ban me plz i tried cheats in year '99 on boomtown, thx admins.

 

[Torp]

Nice to see it being chased up

And Maber it isnt proven to be bullshit. If it is then the respected member lied to me and I dont think he is he type to do so. So live in your world of ignorance. Oh and also dont talk about "mature" posts, check your first one towards me and then reassess your own attitude.

 

[TuT]

Rumour has it one of their players was being looked at for botting but they cant prove it yet. Still ongoing investigation apparently.

Even if this were true, it has nothing to do with this thread. And beeing accused for cheating without any proof at all is pretty fucking far from having cheated once or twice and getting caught for it.

This is only brought up by you to try and turn things arround now. Pretty silly tbh.

 

[Torp]

TuT, again you are ASSUMING things. I merely brought this up because Maber is so quick to judge people without knowing the facts. Same with you and Rookie. I am showing why this isnt always the case. Until you know facts TuT I suggest you stop coming out with 'silly' replies tbh.

 

[Carnage`]

example of fact: mic got caught twice

example of suggestive: A certain cnp member was named by misteryman to maybe be under investigation by CB. Probably because someone accused him of cheating.

 

[Torp]

No, you are making a direct comparison. I said that Maber makes these accusations and cries 24/7 about playing PAST botters who dont bot anymore. Doesn't matter if its proven or speculation (btw this player also said it is a well known rumour that he was a suspected botter for a long time) it is still going to cast doubt in your mind.

 

[sneez]

Before I go to bed I must show the movie wich started it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
goodnight all !

 

[endgegner]

Old.

 

[TuT]

Until you know facts TuT I suggest you stop coming out with 'silly' replies tbh.

Good idea, maybe i can learn from the master himself...

Rumour has it one of their players was being looked at for botting but they cant prove it yet. Still ongoing investigation apparently.I am told by 1 of my tdm clanmates aswell so not making this up.

This is indeed great facts torp . At least for someone who doesn´t know what a fact is. I´d suggest you go to www.wikipedia.com and find out what the word actually means.

After that you can search on the word "stupid" or "torp" even because it´ll most certainly give you the same result. If not, gimme a pm so i can remind them to get their database up to date.

 

[Torp]

When did I say it was a fact that this person botted?

You are the one claiming to know as a fact that I am making it up. How the hell could you know this?

Until it is proven, yes it is only a rumour and that is what I posted. Sometimes TuT you just post utter nonsense.

 

[Torp]

Oh btw, Why do you even get involved in these conversations TuT. It has nothing to do with you and you add nothing (valuable) to it. Nothing to do with me but I am adding something to it at least. I thought you were married with kids so why dont you take your valuables out of maber's rear then maybe your clan can actually start winning something. Oh sorry you already left the league withyour box of tissues at hand.

 

[deadly]

Torp stop telling people to fuck off with reasons you use in your own posts m8. Ok, now resume having this flamewar.

 

[Torp]

Huh? Make sense please.

 

[TuT]

Oh btw, Why do you even get involved in these conversations TuT. It has nothing to do with you and you add nothing (valuable) to it. Nothing to do with me but I am adding something to it at least. I thought you were married with kids so why dont you take your valuables out of maber's rear then maybe your clan can actually start winning something. Oh sorry you already left the league withyour box of tissues at hand.

I did add something. To be honest i don´t even think you read all posts but just read some and then you felt you had to take part of it somehow because you felt all alone which is why you, like you just pointed out yourself added something extremely important. A rumour