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Joko said:Comparing civilian casualties in WW2 and Iraq is a bit irrelevant imo because the way in which wars are fought has totally changed over the last 50 years. You cant compare a war fought with hi-tech jet aircraft and ships capable of launching missles from hundreds of miles away to one fought mainly with inventory troops and the most basic combat planes ever seen. Why cant the holocaust be attributed to military action either?
kooma said:Err.. no. First of all let's agree they were a-bombs and not nukes. Secondly, the war in Europe had ended before the US dropped the bombs in Japan. Germany surrendered on May 7th, 1945. Hiroshima was bombed on August 6th, Nagasaki on the 9th and Japan surrendered September 2nd.
exactlySnuggs said:yip...
but what not many peeps know, that USA planed to drop the first bomb over Berlin
only the capitulation of germany "saved" germany (denmark, poland and a few others "near" berlin) from a nuclear fallout and it´s results over the years
yes we ve got a lot of shit going on (mostly in europe that is) but in my view the usa causes major problems all over the worldProPain said:have to agree with kooma and thur here, kinda funny pointing the finger to the usa, we have a lot of shit in europe we should be fixing before we can start condemning america
Yes I know where your oil is coming from. But have you considered the fact that the 85% of Iraqi area has not yet even been surveyed for oil yet and it already has the 10% of the world's oil reserves? Chances are that it will turn out to be the biggest reserve there is. Furthermore, the oil wells in Iraq are not deep like in Saudi-Arabia thus making it much more cheaper to pump and maintain.
Saddam might have been harboring terrorists and even if the WTC terrorists had built camps in Iraq, Iraq as a nation didn't have anything to do with WTC so an attack on their nation can only be described as unjustified. If your argument is that whichever country harbors terrorists should be attacked, the US should be attacking most of the Middle Eastern countries including your allies, Saudi-Arabia and Israel. The invasion as a way to clear of a terrorist threat would be the same as killing a mosquito with a cannon.
Be it one, two or seventyeight branches doesn't change the fact that the US government blatantly goes on breaking international treaties as it sees fit for its own gain. By invading Iraq, you've diminished the strength of the UN and made it impossible for it to gain back the status it had before the war in Iraq. Have you even thought what it means? You've sent out a message that the UN is too weak to be regarded as something whose rulings should be accepted. It's possible you've damaged the image of UN so much that it will eventually lose its meaning when everyone just goes on doing whatever they feel like because you've set the example that you don't give a fuck what the general opinion is.
Well it seems the level of education is rather poor if you're actually taught all that when some of you don't even know your own history too well.
What?! It's the absolute opposite! Modern warfare kills MORE civilians than military. In WW2, the military bodycount was higher if we don't count in the holocaust which can not be contributed to military action. In Iraq, twice the amount of civilians have been killed compared to military.
there will never be peace
Comparing civilian casualties in WW2 and Iraq is a bit irrelevant imo because the way in which wars are fought has totally changed over the last 50 years. You cant compare a war fought with hi-tech jet aircraft and ships capable of launching missles from hundreds of miles away to one fought mainly with inventory troops and the most basic combat planes ever seen. Why cant the holocaust be attributed to military action either?
Iraq has a ratio of over 2:1
but what not many peeps know, that USA planed to drop the first bomb over Berlin
yes we ve got a lot of shit going on (mostly in europe that is) but in my view the usa causes major problems all over the world
@ bart
yer, i know
germans did the first "chain-reaction", but not more
hitler made many many faults
i think if hitler waited a few years with starting his war....no 1 had a chance 2 stop him
he had the first rockets, jets and many other things at the end of war
i´m glad that hitler/germany lost the war
all in europe would live craper than in george orwells 1984
don't u benifit from this too then? so y are u complaining.
bush did say we were going to attack countries harboring terrorist in his address to the country a few days after 9/11. and no one is saying the attack was justified.
the general opinion? if we listend to ur general opinion alot of things would be different in our country for good or bad. but the general opinion in our country was to attack. before u come talk shit read up on the subject. the world will always have different opinions. but your country comes before the world at this point in time.
where do u get ur info buddy. no where near the amount of civilians have been killed compared to military. the bombs are much more accurate. the way civillians get hurt is when the groups in iraq set up bombs and such.
Bart said:.... and kick his ass in the next election.
Bart said:God blessAmericathis community
tbh very dangerous attitudeYes I know where your oil is coming from. But have you considered the fact that the 85% of Iraqi area has not yet even been surveyed for oil yet and it already has the 10% of the world's oil reserves? Chances are that it will turn out to be the biggest reserve there is. Furthermore, the oil wells in Iraq are not deep like in Saudi-Arabia thus making it much more cheaper to pump and maintain.
don't u benifit from this too then? so y are u complaining.
Joko said:hmm, i can see were you are coming from sobo but the Americans havent invaded ever single one of their neighbours and used physical force to bully them into believing in their ideals.
I agree they do control the media and therefore the minds of the ignorant. You can draw comparisons and i can appreciate your line of thinking but in the end the americans and the nazis went about acheiving their goals in very different ways.
Woodah said:well i've said all i need to say imo so it was nice talkin to u fellas
IceDragon said:nah such a long thread for something noone will ever understand.
Americans don't understand our point of view and we don't understand their wway of thinking.
Don't waste you time
oh and btw