The Pinochet Files

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I am not ignoring anything, to be quite honest I probably have more knowledge about what went on during the cold war in the USSR than most of you here. There is no doubt in my mind that the USSR was a fascistoid totalitarian state, but again; That is NOT the issue in this post?

Secondly, yes Israel is a state in a unfriendly enviroment, but they are the occupiers, they are the one stealing land. If you really want to analyze the problem, it all goes back to the attrocity that was the forming of the state in the first place, a bad job done because of guilt over what happend in the 2nd world war. Not trying to paint the palestinians white, they are after all involved in a freedom struggle against a vastly superior military force.

Third, if the USA is supposedly doing this "for world peace", kinda makes you wonder why they haven't moved in against the known terroist states with nuclear weapons, korea, india and pakistan instantly springs to mind.

If you want to get rid of dictators, you have to have the support of the local people to do so, or you will just yet again create a vacuum for another nut to step into, read your history, this has happend time and time again
 
"Would the USA still have helped Europe?"
the Japanese attack on pearl harbour was know about and there was intelligence of a massive build up of forces, what has never been proved is how high the intell got and at which level it was buried, the US at that time needed war to boost its economy but the government needed a reason for the American people to want war, which is one of the reasons pearl harbour was "allowed" to happen. so the answer is yes one way or another, the Japanese were bombing the US pre-peal using sophisticated paper balloons with a weighted timing mechanism which the Japanese released into the Jet stream<-- (well spotted Dog) , this info was buried for 30 years, the government knew they were being attacked they just needed a huge spectacle for the people to unit behind an America at war, which is why some speculated about if the government had knowledge of 9-11 as the symptoms were there but again that’s another story and history will uncover events in time.

a real problem is duality the US government has time and again used people to further its own means then pulled the rug from under them left them in the cold, this has happened so many times and still only 3 days ago the administration try’s to brush it off as though the rest of the world is so stupid that if were told long enough and enough times it didn’t happen we will believe it... the UK government is trying the same tactics itself in the Hutton enquiry except its failing as the British people and press are like dogs with a bone,
The problem "the war against terror syndicate" or T.W.A.T.S has is that it is choosing who is a good dictator and who is bad sadam Hussein = bad, general musharaf = good, both dictators both have done disgusting things to there people both have violated human right one is helping the T.W.A.T.S.

William Spencer, a retired Florida State University history professor and author of Islamic Fundamentalism in the Modern World.
"We've done an awful lot of damage to our image abroad through our foreign policy," he goes on
"We have supported a lot of leaders who were not at all representative because it seemed to be in our national interest."

Palestine freedom fighters or terrorists?
look at Apartheid in South Africa and its comparisons in palistine and other countrys supported my the west in palistine The partition of the occupied territories, the limited autonomy granted to the Palestine Authority and the fact that employment in Israel is one of the main economic resources for Arab inhabitants of the territories show a parallel with the creation of the bantustans for supporters of Palestine freedom.
if you take a people options away from them, remove there ability to defend there own land, then take there land, slowly but surly wiping out there very existence, banning the development of any technology, manufacturing, agricultural growth then what other options do they have left other than to use "foul methods”,,, the term foul methods incidentally from the Special operations executive S.O.E. A department set up during the Second World War by the British to teach and use terror against the axis forces, i.e. terrorism here’s a quote from its training manual
'this is war not sport your aim is to kill as many as possible, to kill your opponent as quickly as possible, a prisoner is a handicap and a source of danger ... so forget the term "foul methods" - they help you to kill quickly, attack your opponents weakest points.' And it goes on into other methods of unfair warfare etc, a terrorism hand book distributed to trainees at the training bases in Scotland, agents of terror who were to stage terrorism if the Nazis invaded England, and this would have been seen as "the right"
Ireland a country invaded and cut up by the British who people that opposed the invasion brutally cut down and down trodden who fight back with the only means left open to them fighting an invading force, striking at its weakest points using foul methods.

august 22 2003 Nelson Mandela, Tokyo Sexwale and Sidney Mufamadi are removed from the US lists of global terrorist, for ten years when there status will be reviewed, the first name you will know Im shure!

Im not saying its right but you have to ask which is the greater wrong? Look to South Africa then New York September the 11 2001 look to occupation and oppression look to support and political u-turn before you make up your mind.
also look at law Ussama Bin Laden has not actually been convicted in law as the man behind sept 11th, which is what Nelson Mandela was saying when he made his statment about "calling Bin Laden the terrorist responsible for the Sept.11 attacks before pronouncement of a sentence in court can undermine the very fundamentals of the law"

If you go back thru history every country has its fare share or atrocities under its belt, it’s only in recent times that it’s well documented and only now that there is a beginning of accountability on a global scale, "I use the word beginning in its most primeval ooze state"

Laurence of Arabia freedom fighter or terrorist?
Che Guevara terrorist or freedom fighter
Michael Collins freedom fighter or terrorist
Ussama Bin Laden terrorist or freedom fighter
Nelson Mandela freedom fighter or terrorist
The list goes on and on percived hero's and villans.

From Cuba to Poland thru South Africa and India you have to look at what drives people to act in such a way as deemed as foul methods, as there is no real right or wrong.
Chile isn’t the first the west as a collective after the second world war made equally questionable decisions in the middle east and to an extent is feeling consequences now of there interference to support its interests at the time, unfortunately the US in particular but not alone doesn’t seem to be able to learn from its mistakes and continues to further its own interests without thought of its consequences and repercussions.
 
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Rich said:
...freedom fighters or terrorists?
Well as i get older im seeing less `terrorists' tbh...just more groups of desperate ppl using desperate tactics due to having lost all hope. I mean just how appalling are the Palastinians treated to have spawned groups that have potential suicide bombers queueing up to offer their services?


Rich said:
...unfortunately the US in particular but not alone doesn’t seem to be able to learn from its mistakes and continues to further its own interests without thought of its consequences and repercussions.
I think the US does think about the consequences & repercussions of its Foreign Policies...it just has a different `aim' from what ppl would hope for or expect.

All countries have `think tanks' and various agencies to perform strategy analysis for all aspects of internal & external policies. It was reported here in the UK last week that Tony Blairs cabinet had been advised that a seemingly unprovocked attack on Iraq would increase Al Queada activity and general resentment towards the West. U can bet ur life the US analysists came to the same conclusion. Bush & his backers from Haliburton & The Carlyle Group weighed up all the info, doubley checked all their sums and went for it.
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