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Originally posted by Bluey


BOLLOX flack spammin from the floor to get the final on overlord sucks aswell its equally as skilless ffs
witha grenade yes but flack NOPE its random as fuck ........
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My clanmate did it against me on pubs with 2 sec left on the clock... i was well impressed, if he would have moved on he would have lost..

if you defend at the cabin and get owned by it then u are defending the wrong place on the wrong time

in a PRO-AS match vs Ai i took out the generator on ballistic using flack bouncing of the wall, is that random as fuck as well? or is it just skill to get in the right place with the right weapon? anyways, even LR was playin and didn't say anything about it

.....and its basically what freaks do that carnt fight there way to the final
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reply by a DM player, not an AS player

i never FIGHT my way to any objective, i'll be the one that takes out the objective leaving you going "wtf"..... i specialise in rippers, hammers basically ANYTHING that keeps me away from opponants...i'll only fight when i HAVE to and as close at the objective as possible...

As for explaining one of the oldest and most well known bugs in the game, i'm sorry, i shouldn't have done that, allthough i havent played on any server without THAT bug protected since i started playing AS (even big n00b server NIL protects it)

i've had sam on a server once telling me that 90% of the bugs he knows he learned from the most experienced players... knowin the knowledge of bugs amongst the players that are longest in the league it leaved me quite :confused:

i'm always been confused by the secrecy people put on bugs on the forums while i can learn the bugs from anyone i want when i ask them...(even sam can...)
 
i'm always been confused by the secrecy people put on bugs on the forums while i can learn the bugs from anyone i want when i ask them...(even sam can...)
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we cant stop em from spreading it mouth to mouth (or icq to icq for that matter) but we CAN stop em from using the forums which is a better way of spreading things :)
 
i never FIGHT my way to any objective, i'll be the one that takes out the objective leaving you going "wtf"..... i specialise in rippers, hammers basically ANYTHING that keeps me away from opponants...i'll only fight when i HAVE to and as close at the objective as possible...
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That's the way I like it. I'm not a great DM player - the only weapon I really like is the sniper rifle. I think in AS a lot of people spend too much time DMing instead of attacking the objectives. I do it too like in the courtyard in Rook. I could be trying to get the chains but I run round and round in a mini DM with an opponent. So if someone can get an objective from miles away like in Lavafort then they should go for it. Unless it's a bug and not skill. Who says you have to be a certain distance away from an objective and no more in order for it to be skillful?
 
reply by a DM player, not an AS player
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im no DM player but i see no skill in flack spamming the gun cavern or the generator untill some random piece of shrapnell hits the mark

rippers and some extent grenades do take skill, but flack is the bain of assault and the game would be much better off without it imo
 
i dont know flak is usefull for defense imo, take overlord the tunnels down to the boiler room are easy to defend with a flak but if you stay down in tunnels your risking a launch getting pulled of, an other useful flak place is just after the temple in golghla (or how ever4 its spelt) flak down the stairs owns for defense and hey end of the day its only really covering fire, though alt flak can be a very skillful weapon. As for taking out the gun with flak spam i thought most did a alt flak at the wall behind just like on ballistic. As for whats lame and whats not try using some comman sense think if the move your doing is in the spirit of the map/game type
 
imo flak primary is no skill mostly.. ye u can say i was at the right place with the right weapon.. but u could've also stand on that spot and shoot with flak primary and not hit anything coz it's random like fuck..

that's what opti was trying to say IMO.

if use flak ball on it (not the shrapnell that comes off of it ) that's more skill imo..

tho i wont say it's lame or sth just not v. skilled :)
 
oh btw what makes u a truely skilled as player is the ability to frag(DM) + attacking the objectives(rippers, hammers, etc) + knowing when to use either one of em..

i seen v. good dm players play as and not getting any objective. :)
 
hmm, when i play the cream of div.1, i wouldn't stand a chance trying to DM my way through to any objective.... allthough it's the most skillfull way, for me it's just a glorious way of DYING all the time...

instead, when i see people like konny i'd rather go around the block and avoid the bugger before he pins me straight to the ground..

i think it's great that people that some would consider a "worse" player then me, still nail objectives behind my back all the feckin time :D

i have deep respect for people who manage that :bow:

and what if ur on overlord, perfect flack position and 2 sec left?
 
Originally posted by jwer_NL
and what if ur on overlord, perfect flack position and 2 sec left?
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Obviously you would try your flak-lottery-shot.
If you success, you are not skilled, you are lucky :D
 
is it really that much luck?

no idea, i just thought it was aiming at the right point from the right place... i have no idea how much luck is involved.. prolly a lot then...

it's true that when u try it, it sometimes takes 5 shots and sometimes just 1, but i thought that was due to not being in the right place... oh well...

why are people always sayin that the flack is shite? i've played with some decent TDM players and sofar never heard about "flack pussy" or something (prolly because weapon spawn is off, and usually you don't have anything else, but still...)

i've always said i found flack one of the hardest weapons to use.. in an open area they are no insta hit weapon, they even have a small delay and can be easily outmanouvered, while in a closed area i have a tendency to kill myself more with it then anyone else..

sometimes i see secondary shots being more lucky then any primary would be...
 
rofl soz but that dont make sense..

imo secondary flak is the only thing skilled about the flak ...
cant see how that's luck lol however like u said primary: sometimes it takes 1 shot sometimes it takes 5... luck imo :)
 
i play quite a bit of TDM on US servs, and there at least flak is considered relatively normal.. you'll find highly highly skilled players who can not just flak spam but will take you the frick out and there flak sticks to you.

IMO i like the DM'ing aspect more of the whole assault sorta thing.. but its hard as you get higher and higher ping (which is nothing to moan about, but it can be annoying).

and as another direct response to how can you tell if its lame or not.. well.. not in all circumstances.. but if osmething is very lame.. you'll note a little edit by xb7 or myself :D
 
flak is usefull for defense imo, take overlord the tunnels down to the boiler room are easy to defend with a flak but if you stay down in tunnels your risking a launch getting pulled of, an other useful flak place is just after the temple in golghla (or how ever4 its spelt) flak down the stairs owns for defense and hey end of the day its only really covering fire
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thats the whole point fs
why flack ruins assault its just mindless camping
you sit there out of sight thowing flack spam round the tunnels or down the stairs or where ever thats utter shite, allmost no way of the attackers getting to you yet your sluaghtering them,

its a cheap and boring whay of playing

as for flack in DM i dunno i dont play it enough tho i do know lots of DM players that hate it aswell

as for useing the flack on objectives it 100% luck
but overlord should be deffended against but Ballistic you can flack it from the top of the gate and still get the comp which is very hard to deffend against,
 
call me cheap then but i see it as a useful defensive tool to me the camping on defense objectives is what assault is about when played at higher levels it makes sense to defend your objectives not move forward and then watch some launcher come in from behind you and do the objective cos you had no one watching it, I don`t call it camping btw i call it sound defenseive tactics.
 
i just am comin to the point where i get kinda annoyed with UTA.. at points not enough 'fighting' and at other points.. too much spam.. just needs a happy f00kin medium
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me agree's alot with this why i getting bored with assault its got to the point where its spam nothing else :/
 
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