OK, so I guess we can no longer, say, hammer-jump over the Ballistic gates, because as far as we know it wasn't intended to be low enough to allow this. No more hammer-jumping to the Garage button in Guardia either - the map designer can't have known it was low enough. Grz clearly didn't know you could go behind the tents in Desert to find an alt route to the Samsite, so anyone caught doing that is a cheat... Wtf.
I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I find it baffling that you can't tell the difference between a ripper-shot and a spot which makes you invincible. As far as DJ's ban goes I'm with you and him: I don't agree with a ban for that. All I'm saying is that there are bugs and then there are tricks, and something which can't be defended against (ie. Ballistic spot) is a bug, whereas ripper-shots are tricks. They can be deffed against and there's no invincibility involved. But yeah it's an argument full of grey areas and differing opinions. So the only way to solve this whole thing is to compile a list of things people consider bugs and then remove or keep them based on votes. Surely you would vote to see Ball spot removed but not ripper-shots? Well, I'd totally agree with you - I'd vote the same.
First of all u dont get invincible, only invisible, big difference
Im not saying there is no difference. All Im trying to say for 3 pages is that both is probably not intended by the author so u cant say the ballistic spot is a cheat coz its not intended by the author. Well, u can, but this would make almost anxthing a cheat. U consider it lame, for me that spot is nothing more than any other sniper position where one can hide (I dont mean turn invisible, just spots like bridge people sniping u in the back from bridge, any spot where u are seen before u can see the enemy). I think the problem here is that some people such as dj or me are used to these spots so we automatically shoot there if we keep getting hit and dont see anyone. I can understand that people who do not know it will consider it lame tho.
I dont care if that spot stays as I dont use it but dont have a problem with anyone using it either so basically Im not affected by it.
For me, anything can stay as it is, its working fine for years.