What's worse? (racism)...

[Mughi]

People get over sensitive...

if someone is a cunt they are a cunt, whether they are white, brown, yellow, purple or green. Wether they are straight, gay or bi. Wether they are male, female, transgendered or whatever.
A cunt is a cunt.

I have seen people being accused of racism because they dislike someone who happens to be a different colour than they are, even though they have friends of that colour.

I have seen people being accused of homophobia because they didnt get on with one gay person, even though they have many gay, lesbian and bi friends.

I have seen people being accused of being sexist because they disagreed with a woman because she was a PITA, not because she is a she.

I am very pleased progress is being made, 10 years ago we have friends who have had difficulty getting served in a couple of pubs because they were arabs or black or oriental. I do see improvements being made, but there are some who are so terrified of offending someone they see racism or homophobia or sexism everywhere.

 

[Penny]

Racism is another form of discrimination, I think Mughi made the point quite well. I can't stand discrimination in anyway. I come across it all the time, not because I'm black, or gay, but because I'm a young single mother. Don't stick labels on people, you haven't walked in their shoes, you don't know their situations or why they are who they are.

People are people, colour, creed, sex, nationality, whatever... we all live in the same world and share it, learn to get along, respect people and treat others as you would have them treat you. If we could all abide those few basic rules of humanity then surely the world would be a more peaceful place.

 

[Useless]

'white kilt wearing scotch drinking haggis munching jock'

If I admit to being the above, could people stop the kilt jokes? Lex this means you

But seriously the question wasn't about discrimination as such, since no-one should need to ask if it's a good thing or a bad thing. For once I wanted to draw attention to the people at the opposite extreme to discrimination, meaning the ones who see it everywhere and accuse other people of it to make themselves feel better or to somehow make people think 'well that guy can't be bigoted at all because look how loudly he's shouting about how much he hates racism'. This is a very spineless thing to do, or at least I've always thought so and I think it comes from insecurity more than anything else. People who don't have the strength of character to have firm convictions about difficult subjects, so they go with the majority then shout louder to make their second-hand opinions more forceful. It's transparent to me and I'm tired of it. I lose a lot of respect for those people

 

[Penny]

I think the answer is quite simple: common sense.

 

[Ice]

lol, it's your right to dislike foreign people just like it's your right to dislike people from your own country. as long as you dislike them for a reason different from racism, that's no problem. i for example don't like some - many turks and russians running aruond here, besically because they are weak and act like they're cool. when they are >5 then they will start to talk shit towards you, if they are alone they just stfu and run away the second you get close to them. i don't like that kind of people

 

[Shinon`]

Being bald is a failure, being fat is a failure, being black is not. simple.

Being bald is not always a failure.. aswell as being fat, think of some certain of medicines/deseases... he ain't a racist, but he does discriminate... or doesn't he?

 

[Cassius]

I'm with ice on this one Do we need em? No.

 

[Gen76]

an insult depends on what u mean when saying it, same with racist remarks.When it comes to races, as long as u make sure u dont generalize to much or atleast explain that u dont think this about all of a given race of ppl.

Personaly i dont like yanks and israelis because they r assholes(in my case, its global politics,but it might aswell be any given situation), doesnt make me racist. i dont think ALL yanks and israelis r assholes since i dont know all of them.

 

[Hector]

an insult depends on what u mean when saying it, same with racist remarks.When it comes to races, as long as u make sure u dont generalize to much or atleast explain that u dont think this about all of a given race of ppl.

Personaly i dont like yanks and israelis because they r assholes(in my case, its global politics,but it might aswell be any given situation), doesnt make me racist. i dont think ALL yanks and israelis r assholes since i dont know all of them.

If you don't think they are all arseholes then how can you say "I don't like yanks and isaelis because they're arseholes"? And how can you think that that isn't generalising? Being flippant or careless with words is one of the most important issues in these times, too easy to confuse them with real hatred.

Regardless, a statement like "I don't like yanks and isaelis because they're arseholes" paints nothing but a negative picture of you. It devalues anything else you might have to say on the subject because it's so ridiculous. I'm hoping you just got the words wrong.

 

[TexasTom]

Rascism BAH!

Firstly EXTASE
The government here doesn't help either. Do you notice how middle class white people's use of drugs like cocaine is accepted, but put the same scenario in a working class area and what do you get?

CRIME. Because the "Middle" class guys get their money from legal theft, you know Solictors, Dentists etc. The "working" class go mug some poor fuker or rob their house, maybe commit the occasional friendly armed robbery.

Racism is the biggest white oh can I say white elephant...? A friend of mine worked in an inner city school here in Birmingham. We were discussing something one day and I described someone as half caste. My word did she throw a wobbler, cant say that! Its mixed race. Well what a load of bollocks. Mixed race is totally none descript. Mixed race could mean 1001 things Half Caste means something.

All nations are racist, thats not to say every member of the national is. Thats why there are nations. In Zimbabwe they kill/kick white farmers out of the country who were born there, nothing is done and hardly anything said. The UK sends people whoi have tried to bullshit there way into the country on Asylum grounds home, and we are classed as racist LOL!

Racism is an often misinterpreted word. Like to say police forces are Racist, what cobblers. Look at history, they have fitted up and shot just as many WHITE men, women and children. And so what if someone is racist, if people do not like "foreigners" be them from Africa, FRANCE or somewhere else coming to their country, whats the problem? I dont see Racists polluting the UK enviroment with a million and one stupid little stickers proclaiming their latest campaign. Stop white power or whatever the fuke it may be. Unlike the socialist workers party. And how come so many of their members appear to workless and free rolling on the state?

For people that say people should have freedom of speech and choice they do certainly like to curtail the activities of others.

Do you see them deriding the animal rights activists who are trying to kill workers at places like Huntingdon Life Sciences etc nah cos they are all made up from the same bunch of lefty loons. A generalisation, hell yeah cos it is generally true!

If someone wants to be racist that should be their choice, equally if someone isnt racist thats fine. But neither side should be forcing shite or opinions down peoples throats.

Oh yeah before the usual contenders start saying I must be a member of a far right fanatical political group I SAY AGAIN I AM NOT A LABOUR PARTY MEMBER!! Nor for that matter a member of any other party. Just someone who has his own views and feels he should be allowed to air them, as he feels others should be allowed to air theirs.

If that makes me a bad man then TOUGH TITTY

 

[Hector]

The UK sends people whoi have tried to bullshit there way into the country on Asylum grounds home, and we are classed as racist LOL!

The long history from black slavery up to modern day prejudice and repression is the reason why the current emphasis is still on racism from whites to blacks.

Racism is an often misinterpreted word. Like to say police forces are Racist, what cobblers. Look at history, they have fitted up and shot just as many WHITE men, women and children.

Seme proven statisitcs would be invaluable here Tom. Or are we expected to take your word that you have the entire world's history in your memory banks?

And so what if someone is racist, if people do not like "foreigners" be them from Africa, FRANCE or somewhere else coming to their country, whats the problem?

Look at the world Tom. That's the problem.

For people that say people should have freedom of speech and choice they do certainly like to curtail the activities of others.

Freedom of speech usually applies to those who haven't got a voice because of repression. It's not a commonly held hot issue that bigoted idiots should be allowed to influence other bigoted idiots to act in an even more bigoted and idiotic way. It may be wrong but it's probably something to do with evolution. Idiots need to be suppressed to the point we can control them long enough to build our roads and drive white vans around delivering things.

If someone wants to be racist that should be their choice, equally if someone isnt racist thats fine. But neither side should be forcing shite or opinions down peoples throats.

Of course they should be allowed to be rascist. And others should be allowed to ridicule them for being an unevolved waste of space who preferably shouldn't be left in a position to produce offspring.

Just someone who has his own views and feels he should be allowed to air them,

They're so uninformed and ill-supported that they barely are views at all. Just come crap on a toilet wall written in shit.

If that makes me a bad man then TOUGH TITTY

You're too thick to be bad. You should read more, watch tv, do anything. Whatever it is you're doing isn't workin for you.

 

[-CrackKing-]

People are completely allowed to dislike people from another COUNTRY, or of another NATIONALITY, but colour does not divide people. It is customs, history etc..

A RACE is a collection of people who have the same GENES. If you are racist, you hate people who share the same genes. There are many people who have chosen to live and contribute to and in another country. This means they have changed their nationality. THEREFORE you CANNOT be RACIST for hating people from a certain country!!! Feel free to hate the French or whatever you want to do, but anyone who calls you a racist for doing so is stupid.

 

[Hector]

A RACE is a collection of people who have the same GENES.

Can be but it's not restricted to that, at least not by any definition I've read. ie,
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race

 

[-CrackKing-]

Urgh

Well that dictionary is old. Life is changing

 

[Gen76]

If you don't think they are all arseholes then how can you say "I don't like yanks and isaelis because they're arseholes"? And how can you think that that isn't generalising? Being flippant or careless with words is one of the most important issues in these times, too easy to confuse them with real hatred.

Regardless, a statement like "I don't like yanks and isaelis because they're arseholes" paints nothing but a negative picture of you. It devalues anything else you might have to say on the subject because it's so ridiculous. I'm hoping you just got the words wrong.

Zactly, which is my point.racism is so a hot potato because its nearly impossible to say anything bad about someone outside your ethnic group without risking being called racist.I think i explained the genralisation i was doing in my first post, regardless its tied to global politics in my case.

Easiest thing is just to stay away from said topic, that wasy u dont have to give a speech inforhand just so some argumentative tit doesnt go on a mindnumbing tirade about racism- its just to damn boring,but sadly needed in some places.

 

[TexasTom]

The long history from black slavery up to modern day prejudice and repression is the reason why the current emphasis is still on racism from whites to blacks.

Maybe for those with small narrow views on life. I feel the racial issue is much bigger than black and white.

Seme proven statisitcs would be invaluable here Tom. Or are we expected to take your word that you have the entire world's history in your memory banks?.

The 6 Year old who was shot in his bed by West Midlands Police(by accident of course, well so they say!). Eddie Browning who was wrongly convicted of Murder when the police witheld evidence.
A link for further evidence http://www.ccrc.gov.uk/latestnews/latestnews_case.html

How many are of Black origin? If you want further examples of the Nasty police forces of the UK picking on the poor white man feel free to ask, Ill happily snow you under with them

Look at the world Tom. That's the problem.

Dont get your point here sorry. If your trying to say the West has made it how it is. Thats bollocks Places like Iraq have untold wealth but still can not get it together.

Freedom of speech usually applies to those who haven't got a voice because of repression. It's not a commonly held hot issue that bigoted idiots should be allowed to influence other bigoted idiots to act in an even more bigoted and idiotic way. It may be wrong but it's probably something to do with evolution. Idiots need to be suppressed to the point we can control them long enough to build our roads and drive white vans around delivering things.

So show me your proven data for this one? I dont remember any votes on this matter?
So free speech is for when people are saying what you like to hear? Some one who plays a tune different to that of yourself should be censored? The people who fought to free the slaves were initial in the minority and classed as Idiots, same for suffragettes. Just because a view is seen as unpopular at a given time doesnt mean those proclaiming it are idiots.

I do not agree with people that say ban the bomb, or who spent months trying to blockade Greenham Common. Does that make them Idiots no, Its the variety of life. Its the freedom of choice. Something I hold highly for the people of the UK.

We have on our TVs in the Midlands the parents of the two girls killed in the shoot out at the new year. Stating we need stricter gun control, I think their views are plain Wank. Do I think they are idiots, nah. Misinformed, not understanding the full facts maybe. But none the less thats their view, and they are entitled to it.

Of course they should be allowed to be rascist. And others should be allowed to ridicule them for being an unevolved waste of space who preferably shouldn't be left in a position to produce offspring.

Genocide. If people dont hold your views or values kill them off, correct me if I am wrong but isnt that racist? Well thats very nice your closer to Hitler and his kin in your thinking than you could ever imagine huh?

They're so uninformed and ill-supported that they barely are views at all. Just come crap on a toilet wall written in shit.

Uninformed? About what? Ill supported, well if these views are so Ill supported why do people make such a fuss over people holding them?
And why are people throwing a wobbler when the BNP gain local election seats?

You're too thick to be bad. You should read more, watch tv, do anything. Whatever it is you're doing isn't workin for you.

A truely infantile remark. Which becomes most of your argument. As for thick, well I think not I have an IQ of 130ish if thats thick I feel sorry for the other 96% of the population .

I think I have a fairly broad understanding of International affairs. I have a better grasp on politics than many in my age group I suspect. And watching TV and reading the trashy Politically Corrected press is why so many people ARE TRUELY MISINFORMED. I have gained a wealth of experience in my life, and most the time thats where I derive my views, the real world.

 

[Hector]

Maybe for those with small narrow views on life. I feel the racial issue is much bigger than black and white.

And yet racism in your view is perfectly acceptable. How bizarre.

How many are of Black origin? If you want further examples of the Nasty police forces of the UK picking on the poor white man feel free to ask, Ill happily snow you under with them

So let me get this straight. Your opinion is that there is no disparity whatsoever between the police dealing with any ethinic minority and dealing with an indiginous white population? Say that's what you feel. I dare you.

Dont get your point here sorry. If your trying to say the West has made it how it is. Thats bollocks Places like Iraq have untold wealth but still can not get it together.

I said nothing like that. I said that most of the problems in the world are due to racial intolerance whether it manifests itself in a political, religious, social or geographical way. Iraq has how much wealth by the way? And relate this to Kuwait's wealth please with a correlation with their contribution to world troubles.

So free speech is for when people are saying what you like to hear? Some one who plays a tune different to that of yourself should be censored? The people who fought to free the slaves were initial in the minority and classed as Idiots, same for suffragettes. Just because a view is seen as unpopular at a given time doesnt mean those proclaiming it are idiots.

Ironically, the very nature of free speech means that those who need it most don't have access to it. And yet you can spout your spiteful crap until the cows come home with impunity.

I do not agree with people that say ban the bomb, or who spent months trying to blockade Greenham Common. Does that make them Idiots no, Its the variety of life. Its the freedom of choice. Something I hold highly for the people of the UK.

It's the first step on your way to beatification. You're literally a saint in the making.

We have on our TVs in the Midlands the parents of the two girls killed in the shoot out at the new year. Stating we need stricter gun control, I think their views are plain Wank. Do I think they are idiots, nah. Misinformed, not understanding the full facts maybe. But none the less thats their view, and they are entitled to it.

Again, your objectivity astounds and amazes. This completely justifies all the other crap you've written.

Genocide. If people dont hold your views or values kill them off, correct me if I am wrong but isnt that racist? Well thats very nice your closer to Hitler and his kin in your thinking than you could ever imagine huh?

And yet you're still arguing!

A truely infantile remark. Which becomes most of your argument. As for thick, well I think not I have an IQ of 130ish if thats thick I feel sorry for the other 96% of the population .

If you truly have had your IQ tested you must be well used to the constant arguments of intellect vs wisdom. Try not to confuse putting pegs in holes (figuratively speaking) with having the first clue about humanity.

I think I have a fairly broad understanding of International affairs. I have a better grasp on politics than many in my age group I suspect. And watching TV and reading the trashy Politically Corrected press is why so many people ARE TRUELY MISINFORMED. I have gained a wealth of experience in my life, and most the time thats where I derive my views, the real world.

[Please Read the P&S Rules on Personal Insults], perhaps you can find the time to come up with an answer to why institutionalised rascism is stil alive and well. I, for one, would be fascinated to hear your view.

 

[L0cky]

The people who fought to free the slaves were initial in the minority and classed as Idiots, same for suffragettes. Just because a view is seen as unpopular at a given time doesnt mean those proclaiming it are idiots.

It has nothing to do with the views being unpopular, it's to do with them being right or wrong. Those who fought to free the slaves didn't hold a view that was 'unpopular', they held a view which wasn't much thought through by many people.

There's a difference between a group fighting for a cause that is essentially right and being supported by people who were previously afraid of speaking their voice and then eventually being supported by the majority who hadn't previously thought about the problem; as opposed to a group of people who believe something that is wrong and are opposed by the majority because they have in fact thought about it a great deal and have come to the conclusion that it is wrong.

If someone wants to be racist that should be their choice

If you mean passively racist then sure. But if somebody doesn't continue their convictions into action then they either don't truly believe them, or their beliefs are too weak and ill founded to be true. If, on the other hand they are actively racist then no, they shouldn't have the choice to act in a way that demoralises, discriminates and oppresses. Where would you stop? Should people be allowed to be murderers just because it's their choice?

 

[BBStr@nge]

Pld Hec and Locky.

Tom you would be easier to accept if you just stepped out of the closet and declared yourself a racist.

Accept it.

How you can try and justify comments aimed against the parents of Charlene Ellis and Letitia Shakespeare is just beyond belief. Disagreeing with them is maybe understandable, but to call their opinions "wank" is just sick.

 

[TexasTom]

It has nothing to do with the views being unpopular, it's to do with them being right or wrong. Those who fought to free the slaves didn't hold a view that was 'unpopular', they held a view which wasn't much thought through by many people.

There's a difference between a group fighting for a cause that is essentially right and being supported by people who were previously afraid of speaking their voice and then eventually being supported by the majority who hadn't previously thought about the problem; as opposed to a group of people who believe something that is wrong and are opposed by the majority because they have in fact thought about it a great deal and have come to the conclusion that it is wrong.

Lol great answer, wishy washy no facts and saying that when the minority are saying what you agree with they are right. But when they say things you disagree with, they are wrong! It was a view that was very unpopular in the Majority of places initially.

How do you know that the BNP and their kin arent saying what the silent Majority are thinking? Prove to me this isnt the case?

If you mean passively racist then sure. But if somebody doesn't continue their convictions into action then they either don't truly believe them, or their beliefs are too weak and ill founded to be true. If, on the other hand they are actively racist then no, they shouldn't have the choice to act in a way that demoralises, discriminates and oppresses. Where would you stop? Should people be allowed to be murderers just because it's their choice?

So people shouldnt be able to demonstrate against fox hunting or go on about tighter gun control becasue its oppressive, demoralising and definitely discriminating, i agree LOL. The sort of Racists you are on about, are skin head thugs who just want trouble, of a weekend they cause fights at football matches! These are the right wing equivalent to the loony left who blow people up cos they experiment on animals. Both are sets of people who when found should be locked up and be catgeorised as anachists.

I do not condone violence, unless it is the only usuable measure. Sending failed asylum seekers or those whose country of origin situation changed home is not violent or out of order.

As for your final sentence, thats somes up the level of understanding you have of what is a complex matter. Allowing people to commit murders is not like sending people back to their country of origin, if you think it is then you are seriously mislead in your thinking!

How you can try and justify comments aimed against the parents of Charlene Ellis and Letitia Shakespeare is just beyond belief. Disagreeing with them is maybe understandable, but to call their opinions "wank" is just sick.

Quite simply, tighter gun controls are the knee jerk reaction to a problem with the criminal element within the West Indian community in the West Midlands and other inner city areas. The guns used for the attack in the new year varies from one news report to another. But the vast majority seem to edge towards a 9mm handgun or machine pistol Mac-10/Uzi. Well How will tighter Gun control help this matter? They told us after Dunblane that banning Handguns would see a dramatic drop in Handgun crime. Oh yeah? Well how come, as over 97% of hand gun crimes were commited with illegally held weapons.

In California they have recently banned .50 Calibre weapons such as the Barrett M21A1 and the Desert Eagle .50 Pistol. How many people have died in the US at the hands of a .50 calibre owner? None. Will that help gun crime then? I suspect not, will it rob people of yet another freedom and sport. Well yes.... But they are the minority so it doesnt matter huh?