Maybe we shouldn't turn this into a P%S style (read: flame) thread just yet, but..
Moore tax evasion I haven't heard about, care to spare more details? Enron accounting I have, and I hope it turns out to be nothing like that!
I don't mean to be rude, but did you watch the film? The whole point of it is that we are fighting a war against the wrong people for the wrong reasons. There is no conclusive link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
The media are the goverments tool to shape their agenda. Again in this film, Moore points out that Bush' cousin (IIRC) works high level at Fox and was broke reporting guidlines prematurely announcing Bush as the winner, before anything had been concluded. As just one example from the film, which I remember right now.
Moore has said that he has based this on facts, and they all check out from multiple sources. He may have only used facts which support his point of view. Is that anything new? Everybody does that, every single company and business only highlights the benefits of their product. The goverment only make loud press releases for stuff which supports their point of view, and everything else slips through congress in the middle of the night when nobody is around to see it.
But there we go.. thats just what I took from the film, and other MM stuff I have read.
I'd guess at less than Bush and his friends will make through the various companies that have provided resources and that will directly benefit from the war effort (Lockhead Martin/Halliburton/Exxon Mobil to name but a few). And sure you didn't need him to tell you what you already knew, from perhaps another perspective or with a different opinion on the events which have happened. But it is someone elses opinion, and it is just as valid as anyone elses. He has invested his own time and money into doing the research, producing and directing the film, arranging distrubutors, promoting it etc. Should he make money from it? Should Bush make money from his shares in companies which are now making a fortune from the American people and their huge black hole resources?Thuringwethil said:I'd have to agree with that statement. I mean, how many naifs out there still thought that their politicians weren't a bunch of lying, cheating, self-serving, warmongering rat-bastards?
I didn't need some dude who styles himself as a "man of the people" raking in his own wads of do$h to tell me that.
Wonder how long it will be until Moore's dodgy tax-evasion scams etc all come to light from all the dollar$ he grosses from these films?
Moore tax evasion I haven't heard about, care to spare more details? Enron accounting I have, and I hope it turns out to be nothing like that!
Strike back at Bid Laden? Extridite his familty from Saudi Arabia (just after you let them leave the country) The perpetrators were suicidal, their leaders aren't though. They are still at large and the US is searching harder for WMD than Bin Laden.Thuringwethil said:I wonder what any of us would have done better in his shoes? I mean, you rule the reputed richest, most powerful nation on earth, and are suddenly told thousands of your citizens have just been murdered by a bunch of terrorists. Who do you strike back at? Who do you ask to be extradited for trial in the USA? The perpetrators killed themselves in the act remember.
And in a media driven, super-litigious society like present day USA, I doubt any politician would say a damn word without advice from their "advisers". Besides, Bush is just a figurehead really. Like Blair, he is a convenient safety cut-out for those who really pull the strings.
I don't mean to be rude, but did you watch the film? The whole point of it is that we are fighting a war against the wrong people for the wrong reasons. There is no conclusive link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
The media are the goverments tool to shape their agenda. Again in this film, Moore points out that Bush' cousin (IIRC) works high level at Fox and was broke reporting guidlines prematurely announcing Bush as the winner, before anything had been concluded. As just one example from the film, which I remember right now.
Moore has said that he has based this on facts, and they all check out from multiple sources. He may have only used facts which support his point of view. Is that anything new? Everybody does that, every single company and business only highlights the benefits of their product. The goverment only make loud press releases for stuff which supports their point of view, and everything else slips through congress in the middle of the night when nobody is around to see it.
But there we go.. thats just what I took from the film, and other MM stuff I have read.