Actually it gets more rediculous as time goes by with the 2K4 clans. How can you start up a lot of clans that never gets enough members in the end and therefore dies again? With all the inspiration and good intentions there might be behind it it is no use... Forget about the l33t clans. It won't happen! You will probably not be able to team up with some godlike l33t players and have a lot of matches like in UT99. What we can do now is join up with the resources we have and perform a few (but active) clans. With the few people who plays 2K4 (and not WOW) we have to be happy with what we can get. Recruiting players from public is not posible. Mostly non experienced player or those who already have been in a clan for a long time and are well settled. SUYM withdraw from Fraghub due to missing players for matches. Now we try to play some Ons. But I'm affraid the same thing will happen here. As for AS I think my joining RAe with Halo (former NIL) and 3 other guys would give us a good start. As for Susje who just made a new clan 'Sexe' (or whatever). Why not respond to Halo's recruiting advertisement instead of making a new clan?