The Matrix Reloaded

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Just watched it, down the pics.. very good film, and that action :eek:

i say u lot go see that film, its great :D

Cliffhanger sux balls tho.
 
well first 30 mins is pretty shit slow, and has loads of porn in it.

then it speeds up, and the fight scences are mint

then they do loads of end scences :lol:

then they do one shitty cliffhanger.

As i sez in another forum- it could have been better, and Matrix 1 was better.

and the way its all set out- Matrix 3 shud be erm strange

bit disapointing tho- cos thier was alot of hype.
 
yeh thiers sex scenes in it with Neo and Trinity at the start...

whats funny is they have er Metal Holes (like on thier arms) for thier nipples, so Trinity has Metal nipples :lol:

and why do we wana see Neos ass, and not trinitys? :lol:

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Confusing

yes VERYYYYYYYYYYY on some of the long talks i drifted off to dream land, but i still got it- i didnt understand the ending to my m8s explained it lol.
 
Try going to watch it- without any hopes for it, and u may like it.

i went in for more of the Matrix one, and i was kinda disapointed, as its going down another road now.

Free Your Mind :D (Before seeing Reloaded)
 
ROFLMAO
best comedy ive seen in ages LOLOL

one little kid said to his m8 as we walked out "superman with guns"

lmfao

words canont express how disapointed i am with this lololo

people were laffin in the cinema 2 guys infront of us left LOLOL
rubbish.............
 
Well I saw this last night and after walkin out the cinema thought hmm, not as good as the matrix one but still ok :)

Ive just read the threads over @ vcdquality and I now understand what was going on. I am going back to the cinema to watch it again because the story is so deep it takes a hell of a lot to digest.

Read this after watching it, you wont get it by seeing it once im sure. I think the movie is a lot better than the matrix one now I fully understand it.

While I agree with many here that questions remain unanswered, such as "is Zion another matrix", I don't think that detracts from the main point this episode was trying to make. For that reason I will refer to the Zion world as "real" in quotes. This episode is about how Love between human and machine will bring an end to the war. Just not the end that everyone thinks!

It is mentioned several times that the question is one of "purpose". That is, what is Neo's purpose in being the one? Is it to save humankind? Yes. Is it to save Machinekind? YES!

I believe Neo is an AI program created by the Architect, as is the Keymaker, Oracle, Persephone, etc. This is basically a given, when the Architect tells him he is a remainder of the equation; the only AI character with a choice. He is put into a human body, and therefore is a human "born in the matrix". This happens in the first movie. Morpheus and Trinity are "real" and have had information about Neo given to them by the Oracle program. Of course, the reason the oracle is able to "predict" things about Neo, is because she and Neo are both made by the Architect. Notice the predictions she makes for Morpheus and Trinity are both things that are under the Architect's control (that Morpheus will find him, and Trinity will fall in love with him). Trinity falling in love with Neo is CRITICAL to the Architect's plan. If she does not, he will let Neo die and generate another "One", as he has failed at his goal of producing an AI that can be loved.

At the end of the first movie, when Trinity proves her love for Neo, he is resurrected and half the equation is complete. At the end of Reloaded, when Neo proves his love for Trinity, she is resurrected. She resurrected him from her world (the "real" world), he did it from his world (the Matrix). Now, both sides of the equation are complete; mutual love between human and AI. This is the REVOLUTION that will save both humans and Machines. Why is love so important?

The Architect believes a part of his own prophesy (that Neo will save humanity), and describes this to Neo in the end. All past Neos had chosen the scientific/rational door or rebooting the matrix and trying again, this is a very "mechanical" response; it is not an irrational HUMAN response. Trying again means the scenario will be played out again - BUT FOR WHAT PURPOSE? The Architect's purpose is to develop an AI that can love and be loved. It is reasonable to think that this is the last element that machines/AI have not been able to reproduce. This is backed up by the fact that there is obviously no love from the Machines, or their Agent counterparts in the matrix. Even the other Matrix AI characters are not capable of true love. Merovingian "writes code" to produce lust in the woman with the cake, but is incapable of forcing love as an equation. Love requires free will.

This is why the Persephone scene is so relevant to the "purpose". She is EXTREMELY interested in seeing if there is true love between Neo and Trinity. She is part of the test that the Architect is giving Neo. By passing this test, he is given the Keymaker (of course not without some requisite action scenes). The second test that he passes is when he chooses the OTHER door. The architect has set up this door, so that if Neo does truly love Trinity, he has accomplished his goal and does not need to reboot the matrix. He mentions that no past "Ones" have had such a strong attachment to a single person. Now the Architect is sure that he has finally created love, he is willing to risk it all on this bet of his. He is hoping that since machines/AI can love, this will ultimately bring an end to war. Now that love between Trinity (Human) and Neo(Machine/AI) has happened for the first time, it will start a revolution whereby Machines and Humans can begin to live in harmony. This is foreshadowed by the Councilman who takes Neo down to the engine room. He basically says that at this point, humans and machines cannot live without one another (so ultimate human victory is out of the question). The architect also says that the Machines are willing to take the risk if neo does chose the non-reloading door. This indicates that the powers that be in the machine world control, or at least agree with what the Architect is doing. Possibly the machines don't absolutely control the matrix, even though they built it?

In the interest of wrapping up, I will not go into detail on Agent Smith, but I believe he represents a different mindset within the machines. The architect feels that the way to proceed is to bring the humans and machines together. The humans and machines want to eradicate each other. Agent Smith has actually made a bigger transformation than Neo. He has gone from a machine with a rogue agenda, into the matrix, stolen free will and transport into the human mind from Neo's program, and is now in the Zion world. He is a mirror to Neo, both opposite and similar. He is a machine that has acquired free will and ability to take human form. Neo is also AI, but sees things from the Human perspective. Smith has free will and Hate, Neo has free will and Love. The Humans really don't seem to have much to do in the movies at all except be sort of a Turing test for the Architect. Without non-human Neo, they pretty much get wasted by the Machines every time. The architect's speech backs this up. The first two movies showed the successful development of a human mind born in the Matrix. The final movie will be the test of this new AI based humanity against the machine mindset. Kind of a trial by fire of the Architect's theory that Love is the answer.

The final war is not necessarily between humans and machines, but rather between the ideals of free will or not. Smith, although he has free will has made his power in the matrix one of replication. Exact copies. Very machine like. Neo is a machine intelligence modeled after humans, and has passed the ultimate human test of love. Seems like a good part of the machine world is on the side of the Architect, and that Smith and his replicants are the rogues now. The ultimate downfall of Smith will be his newly found humanity, proving to all the machines that free will and love will win in the end.
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and heres the conversation with the archtect cus its damn confusing when u listen to it :lol:

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Others? What others? How many? Answer me!'*

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****.*

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: You can't control me! **** you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bull****.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Bull****!*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neos dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we?

Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason.

An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.
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If you can be arsed this thread is a nice read :)

http://www.vcdquality.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=19618
 
mebbe go see it on saturday, but from what has been said im going in with a slightly clouded mind now, hope its worth the wait tho :)
 
I actually thought that this second movie was better than the first one.
The story is a little bit more complex but after I saw it for the second time I could really understand it, and now i'm really looking forward to Revolutions.

Although the technics arent really new I really enjoyed the fighting scenes, especially the scene where Neo is fighting all of the agents.

The sex/dance scene was actually the most enjoying scene, coz of the great music, but it was a little bit long though.

Lord of the rings is still better than the matrix though :p:
 
Yea, in order to fully understand the Matrix films you have to watch a few times.
The first time you watch it you'll just take not of the action...

The action scenes sort of detract from the storyline I guess. :\
 
Anyone who says that this fim is shite didn't watch it - plain and simple IMHO.

Saw it last night and the massive quote in Neo's post was exactly how I saw the film as when the non-action scenes were on I actually paid attention and listened to what was being said. Mael and I both turned to each other and agreed that anyone who fell asleep or didn't listen to the conversation between Neo and the Architect wouldn't get the film. It's the kind of conversation so crucial to the film that if you miss it, go to the loo etc then you have as good as missed the movie.

As for the action scences, well it's they rule, but it's the Matrix so that's a given.

This film was undoubtlely the best sequel I have ever seen, I'm looking forward to going to see it again tomorrow night and can't wait for Revolutions.

oh and a hint for those that don't know. Wait till the end of the film and you'll see a preview for Revolutions.
 
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