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ThirtyThirty
Re: Hmm...
lol ,maybee but my experience with a mac is crap all it do is crashes and sais "bla bla memory is low", don't get me worng the original c64 is top notch but the c64 a'la mac is crappy. slow and buggiy is what a mac is 2 me, and it also suck at 3d/2d graphics it always has
lol ,maybee but my experience with a mac is crap all it do is crashes and sais "bla bla memory is low", don't get me worng the original c64 is top notch but the c64 a'la mac is crappy. slow and buggiy is what a mac is 2 me, and it also suck at 3d/2d graphics it always has
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Neo ION
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UTU Taki
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LuNa Moonraker
G4+ Rulez
Well happy to say the day has finally arrived when a mac can outgun a PC in fps...HOORAY!!! (Ok so its in Quake Arena but then noones perfect )Now we have at last Nvidia graphics cards as standard OEM NVIDIA GeForce2 MX in Mac G4's, faster beefed up Moto 7450 PPC chips up to 733MHZ, increased bus speeds etc etc we are catching up.
Together with the next Mac OS X (10) out on 24th March which is UNIX based (latest BSD kernel), optimised for the moto Altivec units it will fly...
Sure top end graphics cards still allude us but not for long (whenever next Nvidia chip comes out it will support mac straight off)....faster processor speeds (althought that is not all the story) but I would be really interested in server comparison in say 6 months time...
And it will be nice to run 3-4 operating systems off the same computer at once...LOL
Anyway check out the tests with various Macs and it includes a PIII 933 for comparison. And this is before the release of the Altivec optimised mac updates and official idSoftware OSX version.
www.barefeats.com/quakeX.htm
Finally as I can't resist
Beyond it all Macs just look fantastic. I challenge anyone not to drewl over the new Powerbook G4:
This baby is made from industrial quality Titanium! and is just 1 inch thick and weighing a mere 5.3 pounds!!!!!
Further details
www.apple.com/powerbook
I had to cut up my credit card to stop myself buying one
Well happy to say the day has finally arrived when a mac can outgun a PC in fps...HOORAY!!! (Ok so its in Quake Arena but then noones perfect
)Now we have at last Nvidia graphics cards as standard OEM NVIDIA GeForce2 MX in Mac G4's, faster beefed up Moto 7450 PPC chips up to 733MHZ, increased bus speeds etc etc we are catching up.Together with the next Mac OS X (10) out on 24th March which is UNIX based (latest BSD kernel), optimised for the moto Altivec units it will fly...
Sure top end graphics cards still allude us but not for long (whenever next Nvidia chip comes out it will support mac straight off)....faster processor speeds (althought that is not all the story) but I would be really interested in server comparison in say 6 months time...
And it will be nice to run 3-4 operating systems off the same computer at once...LOL
Anyway check out the tests with various Macs and it includes a PIII 933 for comparison. And this is before the release of the Altivec optimised mac updates and official idSoftware OSX version.
www.barefeats.com/quakeX.htm
Finally as I can't resist
Beyond it all Macs just look fantastic. I challenge anyone not to drewl over the new Powerbook G4:
This baby is made from industrial quality Titanium! and is just 1 inch thick and weighing a mere 5.3 pounds!!!!!
Further details
www.apple.com/powerbook
I had to cut up my credit card to stop myself buying one
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ThirtyThirty
Re: Hmm...
hmmm well the last 3 years or so pc has takn the lead, hmmm i havent seen a wildcat or oxygen, fire GL, or gloria card for mac, nor have i seen softimage or maya for mac (i know that maya will come for mac osx but not unlimited) and still the best "highend" vc you can buy for a mac (to my knowledge) is the geforce2mx ohh well i guess thats what a "highend" video card is according 2 mac standards :/ . mac may have been good at the eighties but not anymore :p cuz the pc has the manufacturers on it's side, and neo you don't have any idea of the upcoming games for the pc :p , and halo will be good but 3d on a mac is @#%$ just look at strata studio or raydream . Well these are my opinions flame me if ya want i still think that mac sux :p . And moon the mac may have the design but pc got the power, would you rather buy a flintstone car that looks like a lamborghini (dunno how to spell the name but the cars look nice ) or would you rather buy a flintstone car with a rocketengine to get to work, hmm maybe a wierd comparission . well when i see a good usable mac for heavy 3d work and/or gaming that can outclass a pc (not on the papers but in life) i will withdraw my statements
well i'm not in to the halo wave so i don't know about it so much but i think that the sofware company is a mac based company, and since they come up with the idea they also choose what platform they wanted it to port 2, didn't it started out as a mac only game?? and if so why did they ad a pc releas 2 it??? and why isn't every game ported 2 the mac, it's because of the prodiction costs, hmmm i think that it shouldnt pe a problem if alot more used mac as gaming OS and the mac is also crappy when it comes 2 the hardware front (atleast the vc)
i think that many still belive that mac is THEE plaform for CG, but sadly i don't think it is as powerful to what it used 2 be. but many buys it just cuz they heard that the mac is the best CG comp out there. and whydoes it crash and freeze every five min or so not even my 98 does that (and my 98 is 6 month old with chaothic structure)
hmmm well the last 3 years or so pc has takn the lead, hmmm i havent seen a wildcat or oxygen, fire GL, or gloria card for mac, nor have i seen softimage or maya for mac (i know that maya will come for mac osx but not unlimited) and still the best "highend" vc you can buy for a mac (to my knowledge) is the geforce2mx ohh well i guess thats what a "highend" video card is according 2 mac standards :/ . mac may have been good at the eighties but not anymore :p cuz the pc has the manufacturers on it's side, and neo you don't have any idea of the upcoming games for the pc :p , and halo will be good but 3d on a mac is @#%$ just look at strata studio or raydream
. Well these are my opinions flame me if ya want i still think that mac sux :p . And moon the mac may have the design but pc got the power, would you rather buy a flintstone car that looks like a lamborghini (dunno how to spell the name but the cars look nice ) or would you rather buy a flintstone car with a rocketengine to get to work, hmm maybe a wierd comparission . well when i see a good usable mac for heavy 3d work and/or gaming that can outclass a pc (not on the papers but in life) i will withdraw my statements
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LuNa Moonraker
Re: Hmm...
Well as I said we are shafted once it comes to highend cards although my (now @#%$ defunct!) 3DFX Voodoo5500 with 64MB aint a slouch . And as I said the next Nvidia chip to be released NV20 I think will be Mac compatable so we will be up there with you.
Really your arguement is a bit dated. I agree macs rocked then the became complacent, charge way too much and technology waned. The low point was 3 years ago thats when Steve Jobs came back..... Now the picutre is changing again. Sure we will never have as many games as PC users but Like HALO as an example, they were a Mac only start with Myst... Bungie where broguth out by Microsoft last year as the game will rock all humanity and they wanted it as THE game for the XBox.
So the reality is that HALO is primarily a XBox game then will be ported to PC (which is NOT the same thing as the XBox BTW) and mac for realease together after the XBox launch. Which means that PC's are going through what the mac did ie games companies moving ever more towards console development. Inevitably fewer games will come to the PC...
Apple made the right move 18 months ago, apart from building the OS from scratch (well using Next stuff) around a decent OS such as UNIX, they also shifted towards OpenGL and OpenAL and OpenPlay as their API of choice making porting to the Mac/ Linux (including Epic with UT2 who are going down the XBox route big time) easier.
Seriously most PC gamers use the equivilant to the TNT2 or Geforce2mx on say PIII 933. as a higher end machine. The tests I linked to show that at the popular level there is now little difference.
Given the Apple commitment to multi processor use in future G4's as the OS is optimised for them (I guess going some way to address the MHZ difference with P4 @ 1.5MHZ but not so fast as some PIII) and all the other progress Apple has made, topped by the use now of Nvidia graphics cards now, there wont be that much difference.
So if there is little else to choose I would rather have the Lamborghini anyday
Anyway if you have a car equivelant to Opti's PC (not his mac of course ) it would be a Trabant...;lol
Well as I said we are shafted once it comes to highend cards although my (now @#%$ defunct!) 3DFX Voodoo5500 with 64MB aint a slouch
. And as I said the next Nvidia chip to be released NV20 I think will be Mac compatable so we will be up there with you.Really your arguement is a bit dated. I agree macs rocked then the became complacent, charge way too much and technology waned. The low point was 3 years ago thats when Steve Jobs came back..... Now the picutre is changing again. Sure we will never have as many games as PC users but Like HALO as an example, they were a Mac only start with Myst... Bungie where broguth out by Microsoft last year as the game will rock all humanity and they wanted it as THE game for the XBox.
So the reality is that HALO is primarily a XBox game then will be ported to PC (which is NOT the same thing as the XBox BTW) and mac for realease together after the XBox launch. Which means that PC's are going through what the mac did ie games companies moving ever more towards console development. Inevitably fewer games will come to the PC...
Apple made the right move 18 months ago, apart from building the OS from scratch (well using Next stuff) around a decent OS such as UNIX, they also shifted towards OpenGL and OpenAL and OpenPlay as their API of choice making porting to the Mac/ Linux (including Epic with UT2 who are going down the XBox route big time) easier.
Seriously most PC gamers use the equivilant to the TNT2 or Geforce2mx on say PIII 933. as a higher end machine. The tests I linked to show that at the popular level there is now little difference.
Given the Apple commitment to multi processor use in future G4's as the OS is optimised for them (I guess going some way to address the MHZ difference with P4 @ 1.5MHZ but not so fast as some PIII) and all the other progress Apple has made, topped by the use now of Nvidia graphics cards now, there wont be that much difference.
So if there is little else to choose I would rather have the Lamborghini anyday
Anyway if you have a car equivelant to Opti's PC (not his mac of course
) it would be a Trabant...;lol
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G4Shallow
Re: Hmm...
@ 30/30
What is with this thing that Macs crash every 5 mins. Mine does not crash very often at all, in fact I cannot remember the last time it did!
@ 30/30What is with this thing that Macs crash every 5 mins. Mine does not crash very often at all, in fact I cannot remember the last time it did!
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Neo ION
Re: Hmm...
30/30 i dont even own a mac i wont ever own a mac just was quoting the truth they are using a mac g4 to demo/create halo. Ive used a mac afew times and never really liked it, why? windows is just too big, its feking everywhere, switching to apple in inustry. hmm lets say BT.. errr no chance it wont ever happen becase M$ dominate apples ass even the mac has IE
30/30 i dont even own a mac
i wont ever own a mac just was quoting the truth they are using a mac g4 to demo/create halo. Ive used a mac afew times and never really liked it, why? windows is just too big, its feking everywhere, switching to apple in inustry. hmm lets say BT.. errr no chance it wont ever happen becase M$ dominate apples ass even the mac has IE
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ThirtyThirty
Re: Hmm...
well this mac i'm on now does (and i can't use the pcs here
) can't even listen to some mp3s surf rhe web and use some application at the same time cuz it starts 2 complain about the memory (and it has 128MB RAM) hmm my pc never does that i can have maya and UT running at the same time (it's slow but it can be done ). well 2 moon i think that microsoft is a crappy company if i would have choosen i would rather see bungie witout the microsoft involvement cuz microsoft tend to make things fu<ked up (not win2k), i still awaits the arival of the highend cards for mac like the ones i've mentioned earlier cuz the adopted maya to osx but they still don't have a highend 3d card, now that's wierder then that ginger thingiw , well i base my opinions on my experience so i guesse it's pretty safe to say that my experience is not the best
well this mac i'm on now does (and i can't use the pcs here
) can't even listen to some mp3s surf rhe web and use some application at the same time cuz it starts 2 complain about the memory (and it has 128MB RAM) hmm my pc never does that i can have maya and UT running at the same time (it's slow but it can be done ). well 2 moon i think that microsoft is a crappy company if i would have choosen i would rather see bungie witout the microsoft involvement cuz microsoft tend to make things fu<ked up (not win2k), i still awaits the arival of the highend cards for mac like the ones i've mentioned earlier cuz the adopted maya to osx but they still don't have a highend 3d card, now that's wierder then that ginger thingiw , well i base my opinions on my experience so i guesse it's pretty safe to say that my experience is not the best
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0ptical
Re: Hmm...
*BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTT*
some things you should know...
my mac-HAS NEVER CRASHED since i have had it
2D/3D-lmao the new maya (the biggest and best 3d package)is on the mac first and has mac specific tools
soft image is going mac ...and 3DSmax is bringing out a mac version
SGI computers are designed around mac technology as is WINDOWS except MS stole it and fu<ked it up ..
digital video /dvd editing is now done allmost soley on the mac platform
and as for servers .................
the G4 server with mac osX running will be THE most stable
server on the planet ...WHY? coz mac osX dosent crash... it carnt lol
anymore arguements please forward to ..
[email protected]
:p
*BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTT*
some things you should know...
my mac-HAS NEVER CRASHED since i have had it
2D/3D-lmao the new maya (the biggest and best 3d package)is on the mac first and has mac specific tools
soft image is going mac ...and 3DSmax is bringing out a mac version
SGI computers are designed around mac technology as is WINDOWS except MS stole it and fu<ked it up ..
digital video /dvd editing is now done allmost soley on the mac platform
and as for servers .................
the G4 server with mac osX running will be THE most stable
server on the planet ...WHY? coz mac osX dosent crash... it carnt lol
anymore arguements please forward to ..
[email protected]
:p
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Neo ION
Re: Hmm...
*sends some p0rn to the email addy*
so opti which gives better performance in UT my PC u know res/colur depth/fps i use/get or your G4?
just wanna know no evil comments plz :p
*sends some p0rn to the email addy*
so opti which gives better performance in UT my PC u know res/colur depth/fps i use/get or your G4?
just wanna know no evil comments plz :p
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0ptical
Re: Hmm...
hmmmm
its a tuffy m8 really coz if i had the geforce card in my Mac it would be better ..
but i havent so your fps is better than mine (OUCH)
:p
hmmmm
its a tuffy m8 really coz if i had the geforce card in my Mac it would be better ..
but i havent so your fps is better than mine (OUCH)
:p
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Neo ION
Re: Hmm...
thank fook u dont wanna know how much ive spent on my pc.. if it woz slower that your G4 i wud cry
thank fook u dont wanna know how much ive spent on my pc.. if it woz slower that your G4 i wud cry
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0ptical
Re: Hmm...
The truth of the matter is ....
ATI developed a fantastic graphics card secific for the mac,
and made a deal with Steve Jobs not to announce it B4 the SF Mac expo.....
BUT the twats at ATI fu<k blabbed and Steve *dont fu<k with me*Jobs told ATI where they could stick there cards lmao
which is why nvidia is now going to take the mac market
which in the long term is better but it leaves a Super computer with a crap Gcard
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The truth of the matter is ....
ATI developed a fantastic graphics card secific for the mac,
and made a deal with Steve Jobs not to announce it B4 the SF Mac expo.....
BUT the twats at ATI fu<k blabbed and Steve *dont fu<k with me*Jobs told ATI where they could stick there cards lmao
which is why nvidia is now going to take the mac market
which in the long term is better but it leaves a Super computer with a crap Gcard
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Neo ION
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G4Shallow
Re: Hmm...
@ 30/30
Out of curiosity , what is the model of the mac you are using? and the ram amount?
@ 30/30
Out of curiosity , what is the model of the mac you are using? and the ram amount?
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ION Ace
Re: Hmm...
Just wondering Thirty, how many decades old is this mac of urs and is it running 7.5 or mac os 7.2 ?
Just wondering Thirty, how many decades old is this mac of urs and is it running 7.5 or mac os 7.2 ?
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ThirtyThirty
Re: Hmm...
it's a g3 (2xx or something) with 128 MB of RAM and 8.1 or 8.5 or something. this configure is prolly crap but i ain't running the place
ehh ok i use maya at home (all bought and payed for ) so plz fill me in what tools that are specific for mac, no flame intended just wanna know and what do you mean by it is on the mac first, andd still you cannot get unlimited for the mac only complete (this is what i have heard). and if i go get maya for like $7500 do you realy think i would settle with a $200 Gforce2mx instead of a profeesional 3d-card like the wildcats or a oxygen RPM that are avalible for the pc, cuz mhz isn't all just look at an old O2 it's doesnt have 7584395784392 mhz but maya still runs smoothly (or so i heard ) due to hardware optimization and things like that but it has a good integrated video card. hmm i still don't think that a mac can even compete against pc when it comes 2 3d. as i said befor mac has lost it's stardom due to the fact it's hasn't got any decent hardware manufactures (at least in the video card front) so once mac will get some "decent" proffesional 3d-cards only then can it even enter the 3d field with the pc. and by the way i ain't no hardware junkie so i can be in the middle of nowhere when it comes 2 mac stuff
it's a g3 (2xx or something) with 128 MB of RAM and 8.1 or 8.5 or something. this configure is prolly crap but i ain't running the place
ehh ok i use maya at home (all bought and payed for
) so plz fill me in what tools that are specific for mac, no flame intended just wanna know and what do you mean by it is on the mac first, andd still you cannot get unlimited for the mac only complete (this is what i have heard). and if i go get maya for like $7500 do you realy think i would settle with a $200 Gforce2mx instead of a profeesional 3d-card like the wildcats or a oxygen RPM that are avalible for the pc, cuz mhz isn't all just look at an old O2 it's doesnt have 7584395784392 mhz but maya still runs smoothly (or so i heard ) due to hardware optimization and things like that but it has a good integrated video card. hmm i still don't think that a mac can even compete against pc when it comes 2 3d. as i said befor mac has lost it's stardom due to the fact it's hasn't got any decent hardware manufactures (at least in the video card front) so once mac will get some "decent" proffesional 3d-cards only then can it even enter the 3d field with the pc. and by the way i ain't no hardware junkie so i can be in the middle of nowhere when it comes 2 mac stuff