Well folks, just a quick note, ctf4 is out for ut2k4 now, looks like being total carnage just like the previous version, will have a look at it soon, anyone checked it out yet? UT99 version was class imo (MultiCTF that is, didn't take to ctf4 as much.) It's just basically total carnage, with some of the settings on ut99 you could make it real tactical .