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uZi said:.. i havent once made the jump from god being made up to explain things to god doesnt exist.. I have many reasons for not believing in god, i'm simply attempting to dicuss one of them with you
uZi said:but your only answer to my questions/ideas so far have been either to pick holes in the wording, or to say everything i say is completely illogical.
uZi said:.. so i don't see how i could have even started to ignore your posts?
uZi said:Another thing i missed in my last post..
uZi said:EDIT: Re-read a few things.. your thing about God and religion…
uZi said:would you care to explain to me where *you* think the idea of god came from?
uZi said:My answer to this is, keeping it as basic as possible: Humans see things they cannot explain, and so their way of dealing with it is to say that there is a greater being, or god existing to make these things happen.
uZi said:Another reason, and this is a question more likely posed by humans with a more advanced way of thinking, is that they wonder why they are on the planet? what is their purpose in life? How did humans come to exist? ie more philisophical, than just.. why/how things work
uZi said:To me, i think saying that a god created them is a very easy way to answer the question. I think its a cop out.
uZi said:Note that this is a logical step as to why this would mean god doesn't exist.. If the idea of god is a man-made thing, then disgreeing with the reasons they had for the existance of god, is a fully logical reason for believing there is no god.
How you can tell me the idea of there being a god is not a man-made thing i don't know..
uZi said:apart from with another faith based (IMO a cop out) arguement, which involves god giving signs, or speaking directly, or through a proxy, to humans.
uZi said:All of your arguements are that you simply disagree. Could you explain why I am wrong, instead of just telling me that i am.
uZi said:What i was trying to say was that without religion spreading the message of the idea of god, the idea would eventually (im talking over the last 2000 or so years) have faded out, with people being able to properly explain many things that people could attribute to a god.
uZi said:I think you are overplaying the more philosophical ideas about god, and completely ignoring my point that people fear the unexplainable, and so like to turn to an easy answer.
uZi said:I disagree.. i think the origins of god have as much to do with people questioning their being, as they do with people fearing the unexplained - you're trying to dismiss my point using a very vague example i used to get the point across.. in fact are you sure you're not a politian?
uZi said:Again.. see first post in thread.. doing things in the name of god is kinda what this is about.. you're the one ignoring things here.
uZi said:That comment was made with tongue firmly in cheek. I am aware that americans are very unable to grasp satire, but you're on a mainly UK/euro populated board, so try and keep up? .. i know no insults
uZi said:I used probably, as certainty is something which doesnt really have a place in debates such as these.. although you seem happy to act as though you are certain.
uZi said:About the proof of god not existing in science... got anything at all which even closely resembles a small shred of evidence of there being a god in existance? I sincerely doubt it..
uZi said:Lastly, the closest idea of a god that i will remotely accept is that there may have been a being of some sort, which created the matter for the universe to begin (be it by "the big bang" or other ideas).. however i strongly doubt that the being would exist nowadays. But i somehow think your idea of a god is a long way away from this
uZi said:You've skipped a hell of a lot of things i've raised too btw.. so get off your high horse m8y.. also what would you call your own "religion" or belief system? just out of interest
Yeah, and you know jack shit about Christianity? The difference between Christianity and Satanism is that Christianity actually has a large book with (some degree of) wisdom, stories, explainations and an actual history. Satanism on the other hand, has had its main organised group (Church of Satan) founded barely 40 years ago and has a couple of rules, some of which sound reasonable, some of which look as if they were added by a goth kid who should have nothing better to do than write in his blog which only his 3 goth friends read.RoTTeD said:Well first of all squirrel im pretty sure that (cos uve shown me ) that u dont know a shit about satanism and its ways but anyways we arent talking about it.So plz if u dont know a shit about a them plz learn before a bit or just dont talk about it cos u will only show ur ignorance.
Again another one who doesnt know a shit about it (as i said satanism and his dif ways/paths), oh yeah u know the stupid and shit church of satan of anton lavey, yes u know a lot menace.Dont come here to give me lessons about satanism the next time plz.Menace said:To RoTTed:
I think you just completely missed the point
If you're going to stereotype and generalise religion, why shouldn't Squirrel do the same with wherever you're from? That's common sense and a bucketload of hypocrisy on your part.
Yeah, and you know jack shit about Christianity? The difference between Christianity and Satanism is that Christianity actually has a large book with (some degree of) wisdom, stories, explainations and an actual history. Satanism on the other hand, has had its main organised group (Church of Satan) founded barely 40 years ago and has a couple of rules, some of which sound reasonable, some of which look as if they were added by a goth kid who should have nothing better to do than write in his blog which only his 3 goth friends read.
I'm not pro Christian (hahaha) or even anti Satanist, so don't think I'm defending Squirrel or attacking Satanism here, but try to do some homework before shoving your biased anti-Christian point of view into a reasonably serious discussion, please. In fact, I should point you out to one of the (new) rules of Satanism:
- Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Noone asked you.
Uzi
Well, at this point I can simply laugh at your post. My "fear and blindness" as you say I guess are too big, so maybe you could show me what I am missing. I disected your last post to a very simple format, but I guess even that is not enough for u, instead you seem to like saying I just didn't say anything back lol. I would suggest you stick to your own last words ". could say more but i see no reason to" and come back when you have a real point/reason.
Originally Posted by uZi
Again.. see first post in thread.. doing things in the name of god is kinda what this is about.. you're the one ignoring things here.
I beg to differ, and no, it is not what it’s all about, anyone can put the name of god in anyway he sees it fits, mad man included, it’s freedom of speech, but I don’t see how naming things has anything to do with what we are talking about.