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Thuringwethil said:As to the walking away comment, well, all the freedoms we currently take for granted, many of our forebears had to fight, and die for to obtain or defend. And yet our generation seems quite happy to sleepwalk into authoritariansm without questioning it at all. Kind of makes me feel sick, that some people don't appreciate the sacrifices a previous generation made for them. Yeh, its all too easy to talk big, and let others bleed and die to protect your freedoms
hector said:Some of our forebears didn't want to fight for those freedoms either. A quick look brings to light the figure of 61,000 men and women who consientiously objected, 18,000 of which were turned down as "not genuine" and 5 1/2 thousand who were imprisoned. Obviously the choice of whether to defend the country wasn't one of the freedoms listed. Shall we just mark them all down as chicken shits who should be shot? Mind you, if we did that we'd have to shoot Chamberlain and the other European allied leaders who sold Czechoslovakia down the river in 1938 in the backstabbing Munich betrayal..
I think people are probably capable of working together in a peaceful way simply because it's the most practical and productive relationship
-CrackKing- said:Time for another religion thread btw, where's kooma and Wintermute
Joko said:Objected to what? are we still talking about depleted uranium?
If you're referrin to the WWII then im pretty sure there were quiet a few more people for defending our country rather than against. Fail to see your point.
Joko said:and tbh if Chamberlain thought he could avoid war with Hitler he deserved to be shot. However, some people suggested he only signed that agreement to give the UK more time to prepare for the war. Fair enough we did abandon the Czech's but you gotta look after your own before you can start helpin others.
[/QUOTE]Joko said:Don't agree with that either. Working together peacefully is possibly the LEAST productive relationship. Most major advances in technology have come when countries / companies / people feel threatened , and therefore can justify spending millions of pounds on "Space Race's" and other boys-with-toys games.
Wintermute said:hey hey!
My view is simple - when you decide to go to war, your goal should be the 100% extermination of the people you are going to war with. complete and total extinction - not one child left alive, not one building left standing. If a method of war saves the life of one of your citizens, at the expense of a million of theirs... you pull the trigger.
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Er...well that kind of makes agreements utterly irrelevant and not worth signing, doesn't it? You make it sound like an acceptable tactical method.
Sorry? You're saying that a country under threat feels the need to spend gazillions on space travel? I think there's a difference between threat and a COLD WAR. But I'm sure you have the statistics to hand for "major advances in technology have come when countries / companies / people feel threatened ". Despite there being no major wars recently with any *real* threat and yet technology....awww. whatever lol.
Joko said:It delayed the start of WWII by about a year did it not? Or am I remembering standard grade history incorrectly? So that obviously made it a very good tactical move for an ill-prepared Britain.
Joko said:I'll look up some examples for all the medical / aeronautical / chemical / physical advances in science as a result of investment during war time tomorrow if you are really unaware of were most of the science you take for advantage these days has come from? But atm im tired so i bid thee goodnight .
The outbreak of war in 1939 caused the NRC to switch its entire efforts to wartime research. During the war years, the NRC staff expanded from 300 in 1939 to more than 3,000 by 1945. Several new research laboratories were also built along Montreal Road, east of Ottawa. NRC scientists contributed some of the war’s most significant scientific advances including the development of ultrasonics for antisubmarine warfare, major improvements to aircraft detection by radar, the production of RDX (a new explosive more powerful than TNT), and the nuclear research that led to the development of atomic power. A major breakthrough credited to NRC scientists was the development of the anti-gravity suit that prevented pilots from “blacking out” during violent flight manoeuvres.
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The NRC’s successes in wartime assured its future by 1945 when peace came. Instead, the postwar years saw rapid expansion of the NRC’s scientific divisions and facilities as the Council turned its attention to the needs of Canada’s new-found industrial capabilities. The scientific discoveries and innovations supported by NRC research during this period range from the exotic to the everyday.
RighteousFury said:EDIT: just was wondering (and on the risk to sound like a smartass...) what does penicillin have to do with wartime ? (since it was discouvered somewere around 1928 and 1929 i think?)
RighteousFury said:(however joko the first computer was the Z1 in 1938 by Konrad Zuse )
From http://www.cbi.umn.edu/collections/inv/cbi00001.htmlThe court also declared that the invention of the ENIAC was derived from the work of John V. Atanasoff at Iowa State University. Atanasoff and a graduate student, Clifford Berry, had developed a prototype electronic computer in 1938, later named the Atanasoff Berry Computer (ABC).
foxy said:“appropriated by the miltary”…..actually what you will find Hector is that during big wars it is the scientists themselves that are appropriated, not just their ideas lol!
foxy said:Joko and Hector…you seem to be holding different ends of the same stick to me, maybe you just like to argue lol. Here is how I see it…
Joko said:I reckon you should be banned for trolling Hector.
Hector said:Do you really.
Are you disputing that you were wrong about the timing of the inventions? Your argument seems to rest on it so if you're wrong it all kind of falls down and from what I can find you do seem to be in error.
As for trolling: try and see things from a different perspective. You don't have to agree but it's a useful exercise.
Joko said:Most major advances in technology have come when countries / companies / people feel threatened