Information overdoze and lethargy

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Well in my ranting way, I think I strayed way off topic in wintermutes thread, ged proposed a new post... and you don't say no to a guy with a beard like that :D (I mean just look at it, no sane person would do that to himself)

One of the big concerns of mine, is the way in which people today are being forcefed biased information, presented as objective serious journalism. The news media today are struggling for a market that has exploded, yet the market size, is fixed to the population of our world, and the hours in which we are available to consume it. Especially the traditional media of newspapers, radio and television have reacted aggresively to keep their niché of the market. Meanwhile, since the wall went down, capitalism have been let to roam free and the globalization process been sold and bought as primarily a corperation affair, leaving nations hardpressed to restrict the resources of their societies. The result has been that the ammount of information the avg. human being are presented with thruout a day, have exploded, the time in which this information have to be prosessed and delivered are one of the calamities; how often do we not hear news being presented in various forms untill hours, days, weeks, months later do the true story come out?

All "serious" media, tries to present their stories as objective, we have this notion of the objective journalist, hence the need for newscasts on television to be dressed in bland jackets and ties, lest they have a personality that might colour the material presented. But can a commercial media ever be trusted with objectivity? Is it at all possible to investigate a issue without at the very first decision on how to cover it, impose subjectivity?

I don't believe in the idea of objective newsmedia, I think we would be a damn sight better of with media that acknowledges their subjectivity.

In the end, I think we are standing in the middle of changes, so large that we are blind to them in everyday life. One of the changes is that the oldstyle information gathering, was to a very large extent passive, but today if you want true valid information, you have to seek it out yourself, with the knowledge, intelligence, wisdom and opportunity to be very critical of its sources... the danish term is "kildekritisk"; sourcecritical and that is one of the things I consider it my highest priority as a parent to teach my kid, the ability to actively seek out information and weigh its validity...

I could go on and on, but lets have some feedback?
 
I would love to find unbiased, quality journalism ... we rarely get a newspaper, when we do, I am reminded why we dont get them ... I can appreciate it is difficult to relay a story without adding your own slant to it, but seriously, it gets ridiculous.

We dont watch a great deal of TV news either, most of it I get from local radio and BBC News. BBC News I find in general not too bad, but they put too great a bias on the truth of religion and paranormal events, mostly coz they are part of the BBC and want to push the programs they make :rolleyes:

The media are being torn apart here at the moment ... the trial of Ian Huntly for murder of two 10 year old girls this year & Maxine Carr for covering up for him has shown serious abuses by the media. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2003/soham_trial/default.stm) Contempt laws are in place to ensure "juries are not prejudiced by facts or hearsay that may have been written before a case is heard and may never be mentioned in court because it is deemed inadmissible evidence. " Basically, they cant report on the guilt or innocence of someone on trial.

One radio station had a phone in which began : "It's almost like the most unbelievably made-up story in the world ever, really, isn't it?" in reference to Ian Huntly's story. This has now led to the presenters leaving the station, and they could end up jailed for it.

Newspapers reported a series of "facts" they shouldnt have including :

Huntley buys a lad's mag with pocket money (Sun) - about Huntley using his prison allowance to buy a pornographic magazine

School bully who went for the throat (News of the World) - a man says Huntley bullied him while they were at school

Huntley: I will kill myself (News of the World) revelations reportedly written by Huntley to Carr while on remand

Sex shock past of murder quiz lovers (Daily Star) details of Huntley's private life which revealed his brother had married his ex-wife

Miss Jekyll and Hyde (Sun) A former boyfriend of Carr's says she had an erratic personality

Now, these papers arent exactly "quality journalism" but they are very popular. Now, as it happens they were guilty of an incredibly disturbing crime (well, Huntly is, and Carr covered for him) but they still need a fair, unbiased jury to come to that decision. Which gets more and more difficult as more and more reports of how guilty they are come out before the trial even starts.

I suppose I just get pissed off and fed up with it all, I know there are three sides to every story (yours mine and the truth) but how often can we actually hear the truth, can we ever expect to hear it :(
 
All "serious" media, tries to present their stories as objective, we have this notion of the objective journalist, hence the need for newscasts on television to be dressed in bland jackets and ties, lest they have a personality that might colour the material presented. But can a commercial media ever be trusted with objectivity? Is it at all possible to investigate a issue without at the very first decision on how to cover it, impose subjectivity?

I don't believe in the idea of objective newsmedia, I think we would be a damn sight better of with media that acknowledges their subjectivity.

Media aknowledging their subjectivity is indymedia for example. They admit to being subjective but at the same time the say they will present an subjectivity not in the lines of what the normal subjective media reports sais. The ones so called objective news medias..

They say thay are multi subjective in the sense they let anyone write, maybe even u dog ;)

Here are some indymedia centers:

Mediacenter
www.indymedia.org


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Mughi said:
Sex shock past of murder quiz lovers (Daily Star) details of Huntley's private life which revealed his brother had married his ex-wife

Miss Jekyll and Hyde (Sun) A former boyfriend of Carr's says she had an erratic personality

Now, these papers arent exactly "quality journalism"

That's the understatement of the century. I hope you're not saying you have to read Sun/Mail/Express shite to remember why you don't buy them.

Here in Lunnun we get the Independant in tabloid format which is bloody convenient on the train of a morning.
 
Indymedia is a nice supplement to traditional news media, I tend to drop by fairly often and read up on whats happening around the world from a different perspective... Oh, and they will let me write there, and have done so ;)
 
dog said:
In the end, I think we are standing in the middle of changes, so large that we are blind to them in everyday life. One of the changes is that the oldstyle information gathering, was to a very large extent passive, but today if you want true valid information, you have to seek it out yourself, with the knowledge, intelligence, wisdom and opportunity to be very critical of its sources... the danish term is "kildekritisk"; sourcecritical and that is one of the things I consider it my highest priority as a parent to teach my kid, the ability to actively seek out information and weigh its validity...

If you want to get as near to the truth as possible, you've always had to go and seek it out for yourself.

At the end of the day, it shouldn't matter if a "news" or "information" source is biased, provided that the reader/listener/consumer/whatever can recognise the bias or subjectivity. All news reporting will be biased to some extent or another. That is an inescapable fact of life. Restricted circulation "fanzines" purporting to reveal the "real" truth as just as prone to this as "mainstream" or "commercial" media.

What is important is that people are taught to think for themselves, and taught to recognise bias and subjectivity. A task which will increasingly fall to parents I imagine given that schools and universities, in this country at least, are being driven by their political masters to pursue a curiculum which is seemingly expressly designed not to enable people to think for themselves.
 
Holy fuck, a post I could completely agree with from thur :D

The thing is tho, alot of people still have this idea of a objective news media, and buys into a lot of things without questioning its source. Which gives todays media an unpresedented power over the people who may not have the knowledge, oportunity, etc, to actively seek information and be critical... the explotion of information, also leave a lot of people hanging... its a double edged sword as always, but if we don't keep that in mind, it will eventually strike back
 
dog said:
Holy fuck, a post I could completely agree with from thur :D


"I may not agree with what you are saying, but I will etc etc..."

Just don't get used to it. ;)