Iraq - The Force Feeding Begins

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Alf Roberts said:
Yes Thuring i know what the westernised interpretation of `Freedom Fighter' is...but that doesnt really cut any ice `on the ground' so to speak. Ppl's involved in such problems tend to simplify these things as an `us & them' situation...well thats how i see it anyway.
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I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree here then. In my view, any armed person who kills an unarmed, non-combatant, innocent bystander, especially if they are a child or woman, is murdering scum. Full stop.

And I suspect more people will agree with my interpretation than the one you seem to be proposing or defending Alf.


BBStr@nge said:
He is a murderer, a non-elected terrorist.
Yes I said terrorist. He fits that bill perfectly.
He is a liar and a murderer.
"but he freed Iraq" - he is stealing it's wealth.
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You can, of course, provide proof for all this BB? If you think he was non-elected, or there was some sort of vote rigging fraud, then you should have a look at these sites I've listed. Yep, Democrats rig elections too. Shock horror.

There was also a big feature on how easy voting fraud is in places which have electronic voting on www.theregister.co.uk a few months back. If you're interested, I can try and dig that out too...

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york110702.asp
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/truthonline/electionfraud.html
http://www.linkcrusader.com/vote_machines.htm


/Edit: found those links:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30510.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/29262.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/29247.html
 
Thuringwethil said:
And I suspect more people will agree with my interpretation than the one you seem to be proposing or defending Alf
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Ur interpretation is irrelevent...so would mine be if i'd actually made 1...infact the only interpretation that counts is from the ppl that are `in the eye of the storm', as i said earlier.
 
Thur - who spoke about Generalised vote rigging?
I couldn't give a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut if the Democrats have rigged, attempted to rig or otherwise voting in America.
Tbh Thur I can't understand why you have posted links to examples of Democrats involved in nefarious activity?
That's just deflection in my opinion.

Had any Democrats come to power in the way that GW Bush has, they too would be there as impostors.
I am not comparing the Right to the Left.
Not saying that he is the only person who has done something wrong.
The fact that Bush is a right-wing capatalist murdering scumbag, is just that, a fact.

I am surprised that you would seek to jump to the lying murdering scum's defence.
Evidence is overwhelming.
How about you go have a look for yourself.
 
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BBStr@nge said:
Thur - who spoke about Generalised vote rigging?
I couldn't give a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut if the Democrats have rigged, attempted to rig or otherwise voting in America.
Tbh Thur I can't understand why you have posted links to examples of Democrats involved in nefarious activity?
That's just deflection in my opinion.

Had any Democrats come to power in the way that GW Bush has, they too would be there as impostors.
I am not comparing the Right to the Left.
Not saying that he is the only person who has done something wrong.
The fact that Bush is a right-wing capatalist murdering scumbag, is just that, a fact.

I am surprised that you would seek to jump to the lying murdering scum's defence.
Evidence is overwhelming.
How about you go have a look for yourself.
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No, your posts are just coming across as a generalised anti-capitalist anti-conservative/republican rant. That's your right, but it does get tedious after a while reading post after post of the same short sentences, riddled with examples of uncouth language and lacking in any form of proof for what you are saying.

If what you are saying is so blindingly obvious, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to post at least one link to some reasonable source who agrees with you.

Plenty of people here are complaining about the current status quo. I've not no trouble with that. But why not actually do something about it instead of just venting your spleen at anyone who disagrees with you or attempts to inject a little balance into the equation?

Write to your MP. Attend their surgery. Start a protest fanzine. Maybe try to organise a demo, or take part in one. Get up in speaker's corner and hold forth. Or, better yet, actually turn up for elections and actively vote against the incumbent you disagree with.

Too many people sit on their asses and just moan. They never bother to try to change anything. And frankly, those people deserve everything they get. Behave like a doormat, and politicians will treat you like one.
 
Alf Roberts said:
Ur interpretation is irrelevent...so would mine be if i'd actually made 1...infact the only interpretation that counts is from the ppl that are `in the eye of the storm', as i said earlier.
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Thinking like that brought about Nazi rule in Germany, Soviet rule in the former USSR, and has caused countless wars and oppression since.

Whether your views are religious or secular, most people do know right from wrong. To pretend otherwise and hide behind circumstance, convenience or sophistry simply marks you out as someone who is either immoral or intellectually immature.

The world is a shit place at times. We know how to make it better. But that needs you to actually do something about it. Right now alf, you're really proving that trite old phrase that "all evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
 
Uncouth language?
Sorry if the language of the hoi polloi is not acceptable to you. I know i specialise in diatribe.
I get angry, and what?
Still you deflect. You want proof of what exactly?
You are not unintelligent Thur- you know exactly the huge con that exists in the USA government.
I will trawl the web and post numerous sources that outline Bushs' rigged election. The evidence does look overwhelming. I'll place it in a new thread as I am knackered atm.
I am anti capitalist - the lust for wealth by the wealthy is sickening, but it would appear that the majority of joe public are very apathetic toward change, imo cos the 80's bought with it an "I'm alright Jack" culture that has passed through parents to their kids.
As long as we got Pop Idol and Eastenders and we can drink coke whilst McDonald's is only a waddle away who cares?
The gap between the have's and have-not's has never been wider. Children have sony flatscreens and no fucking shoes. I am not necessarily advocating pure socialism as a way forward, but this "at least the tories/right/capitalists are honest" is just hogwash.

The war in Iraq was solely for wealthy men to get wealthier. It was never about protecting anyone.
Saddam is deposed - but the views of the Iraqi's toward the west do not appear to have changed.
Who has won anything from that conflict?
Only the rich - who put monetary greed before lives to make themselves richer.
How many houses do these people need?
 
'I am still amazed that any sane and rational person could find anything good about what GW Bush did in Iraq'

I kinda have to agree with this. Someone said that by removing the Hussein regime Bush had saved millions of lives. Technically yes, but I find it hard to believe that was his first priority. Consequence is not the same thing as objective. You could say that by going to war with Iraq, Bush went some way towards solving the world over-population problem. This might be true but that's not what he was going for. Saying he saved lives etc sounds very like the sort of propaganda which we are trying to see past.
 
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