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Point System revisions
A revision to the loot rules which I believe will make things slightly clearer and fairer is as follows.
GENERAL RULE WHICH APPLIES TO EVERY POINT USAGE SYSTEM DISCUSSED BELOW - YOU MAY ONLY USE YOUR POINTS 2 TIMES IN ANY ONE INSTANCE. THIS PREVENTS PEOPLE WITH TOO MUCH POINTS ABUSING IT AND OBTAINING EVERY SINGLE ITEM THEY WANT IN AN INSTANCE
Section 1 - SET ITEM POINTS
When we do instances at our current guild level, we will not include Molten core or Onyxia right now. The instances which ‘count’ are Scholomance, Stratholme and UBRS.
The reason why LBRS is not included is due to the fact it’s generally a 5 man instance and there are not many SET items there.
As many of you already know, there are 8 parts to a given set. We will now give a number to each part of the set. These will correspond to your instance points you achieve by playing instances.
Therefore;
Belt of any set: 1 point.
Boots of any set: 2 points.
Bracers of any set: 3 points.
Gloves of any set: 4 points.
Legs of any set: 5 points.
Crown of any set: 6 points.
Shoulders of any set: 7 points.
Chest of any set: 8 points.
Now, each instance will have a point rating which attributes to its difficulty level.
Stratholme is arguably the easiest instance; it’s also the biggest instance. It has the scarlet run and the baron run. So we will divide the instance.
Stratholme scarlet run (final boss kill): 1 point per member.
Stratholme baron run (final boss kill): 1 point per member.
Full Stratholme run (both bosses killed): 2 points per member.
Scholomance is probably the second hardest instance, it also takes longer than any single run of stratholme (but not both combined) So this instance is given the following points.
Scholomance full run (killing final boss): 2 points per member.
UBRS this is without doubt the hardest of the 3 instances, not as long, but harder. Therefore the points given for this instance are as follow;
UBRS full run (killing final boss): 3 Points per member.
Now we have set the guidelines of the points associated with the set items and the points associated with the instances and their ‘successful’ completion. We will now discuss what this all means.
From now on, all raid leaders, not those assigned specifically in the guild ranking system, but those who decide to lead a guild event. They must take note of all the names of people attending, the instance, the date and time and what was completed (generally in the case of Stratholme)
Each member’s points will be added up. The points are not instance specific, meaning the points can be used up anytime, anywhere, any instance. The only difference is that you will not get your points reduced to Zero like you did with the old system. Instead you will lose the points which associate to a specific set item.
For example; Shiraz has done Stratholme baron side once, Stratholme scarlet side once, Full stratholme run 2 times, Scholomance one time and finally UBRS one time.
This will give me a total of: 1+1+2+2+2+3 = 11 points. I can therefore decide that I want to use my points up on my chest piece in UBRS, which will use up 8 points. This would leave me with 3 points. So as a player, I must choose when and how I want to use up my points.
But it’s not conclusive, what happens if more than one person has enough points for a set piece they want?
The member with the most points for the set item, will get that set piece. However, they will use up more points. For example;
Shiraz has 40 points bagged up. He requires 1 set item which is only worth 2 points. However another priest also has enough points. In this situation, Shiraz would win the set item and lose the points associated with it. Simple.
Now let’s speak about the situation where a specific member has enough points to allow them to take more than 1 set item piece in the same run. This is debatable, however I believe, that the normal loot rules, found here (http://forums.utassault.net/showthread.php?t=53134) should apply. If you win a blue item, you should be obligated to pass on the next item should another member have enough points to ‘buy’ it - just out of respect for the other member. If the member doesn’t have enough points to buy the set item, then simply the original person can take a 2nd piece of the set. However also keep note, if a player wishes, they may use thier Points 2 times in an instance and take the 2nd set piece as well. Hopefully this won't be done and people will respect the difficulty others have and automatically pass.
Finally, remember these points ONLY apply to set items. They don’t follow the same loot rules as normal blue items. Meaning, it’s possible for you to come out with more than 2 blue items. I strongly urge people to read the loot rules thread, linked above to make sure everyone is clear on this.
I realise this only covers set items. I know there are sometimes weapons people would like. However we will use a system of who requires the item more in these situations. We will look at the member’s weapon; see who will benefit more from an upgrade. When they win that blue, they are not entitled to roll on another “none” set item. Again following the loot rules linked above.
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Section 2 - Using points gathered for NON set blue items (specifically weapons)
I'm going to use the case of Ewok in UBRS to explain this; He came to an understanding with the other rogues that if his Shadowcraft tunic dropped, he would not use up his points (even if he had enough over the other rogues) to obtain the item. He has been holding out on his runs for the Dal Rend sword set. He has more points than any of the rogues in UBRS. He has had nothing awarded. The current rules do not cover the issues with weapons or non set item armour (rare) stuff.
Therefore, if an item drops which a specific member REALLY wants. They may override the usual N/G loot rules. A member may claim to use up some of his points he has to gain the item which he has struggled to obtain.
Now you may ask me, how much points does he lose, how is it determined when the set pieces for armour have designated point values (1-8). Simply put, the member with the most points, can buy the item. His points would then be reduced to the difference between the competing member(s). Sounds bit complicated, so lets use an example.
Ewok: 40 points bagged up.
Jbi: 24 points bagged up.
These 2 have the highest points between the competing members.
Both of them want the dal rend sword, but can use it. Both want to use thier points if possible to win the item. In this situation, Ewok wins, he has 40 points, he has 16 points more than Jbi (40-24). Therefore ewok would obtain the new sword and have his points reduced to 16. Where JBI would keep his 24 points. Got it?
If more items drop which people want to compete over. They may again use this method to try to win it. This may not be fair, a member with alot of points may win everything that drops. However at the end of it, they will have no points left and it will allow other members on other runs to overrule him.
Alternativly, if noone wants to use up thier points, it again follows the normal, roll on blue, if you win, you pass on other blues.
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Section 3 - Point usage for SET items, which are not your specific class set
This will cover the final part of any problems regarding set items which can be rolled on, I will again use an example to explain what I mean.
I'm a priest, my set is called Devout, Mages is called Magister. It's just the way Blizzard have distributed it. However, all the cloth users can use any of the 3 cloth user set items.
Let's take the example that dreadmist shoulders drop. There is a warlock with us, but they dont require it. There are 2 priests and 1 mage that would like that item. We have 2 options here;
We could 1, all roll, try out luck out and see who will win this item. (You pass if you have won a blue item already, as the normal loot rules clearly state). Alternatively, a member of the group could enforce to use thier points the item.
In this case, it would follow the section 1 class set rules, the person with the highest points will recieve it. Then have thier points reduced accordinly. In the case of shoulders, as written above, this member would lose 7 points.
Last notes, this doesn’t include anything with regards to Molten core and Onyxia, but you can bet that something similar will apply to the epic set items. This area however requires more planning and that will be discussed with the council members over the next few weeks.
Let me also stress again that there is a fundamental difference between the way normal loot works and set item drop loot works. Don’t confuse the two, they work independently 99% of the time, except in that situation above regarding more than 1 set item drop on the same run for a specific class.
--Shiraz
Point System revisions
A revision to the loot rules which I believe will make things slightly clearer and fairer is as follows.
GENERAL RULE WHICH APPLIES TO EVERY POINT USAGE SYSTEM DISCUSSED BELOW - YOU MAY ONLY USE YOUR POINTS 2 TIMES IN ANY ONE INSTANCE. THIS PREVENTS PEOPLE WITH TOO MUCH POINTS ABUSING IT AND OBTAINING EVERY SINGLE ITEM THEY WANT IN AN INSTANCE
Section 1 - SET ITEM POINTS
When we do instances at our current guild level, we will not include Molten core or Onyxia right now. The instances which ‘count’ are Scholomance, Stratholme and UBRS.
The reason why LBRS is not included is due to the fact it’s generally a 5 man instance and there are not many SET items there.
As many of you already know, there are 8 parts to a given set. We will now give a number to each part of the set. These will correspond to your instance points you achieve by playing instances.
Therefore;
Belt of any set: 1 point.
Boots of any set: 2 points.
Bracers of any set: 3 points.
Gloves of any set: 4 points.
Legs of any set: 5 points.
Crown of any set: 6 points.
Shoulders of any set: 7 points.
Chest of any set: 8 points.
Now, each instance will have a point rating which attributes to its difficulty level.
Stratholme is arguably the easiest instance; it’s also the biggest instance. It has the scarlet run and the baron run. So we will divide the instance.
Stratholme scarlet run (final boss kill): 1 point per member.
Stratholme baron run (final boss kill): 1 point per member.
Full Stratholme run (both bosses killed): 2 points per member.
Scholomance is probably the second hardest instance, it also takes longer than any single run of stratholme (but not both combined) So this instance is given the following points.
Scholomance full run (killing final boss): 2 points per member.
UBRS this is without doubt the hardest of the 3 instances, not as long, but harder. Therefore the points given for this instance are as follow;
UBRS full run (killing final boss): 3 Points per member.
Now we have set the guidelines of the points associated with the set items and the points associated with the instances and their ‘successful’ completion. We will now discuss what this all means.
From now on, all raid leaders, not those assigned specifically in the guild ranking system, but those who decide to lead a guild event. They must take note of all the names of people attending, the instance, the date and time and what was completed (generally in the case of Stratholme)
Each member’s points will be added up. The points are not instance specific, meaning the points can be used up anytime, anywhere, any instance. The only difference is that you will not get your points reduced to Zero like you did with the old system. Instead you will lose the points which associate to a specific set item.
For example; Shiraz has done Stratholme baron side once, Stratholme scarlet side once, Full stratholme run 2 times, Scholomance one time and finally UBRS one time.
This will give me a total of: 1+1+2+2+2+3 = 11 points. I can therefore decide that I want to use my points up on my chest piece in UBRS, which will use up 8 points. This would leave me with 3 points. So as a player, I must choose when and how I want to use up my points.
But it’s not conclusive, what happens if more than one person has enough points for a set piece they want?
The member with the most points for the set item, will get that set piece. However, they will use up more points. For example;
Shiraz has 40 points bagged up. He requires 1 set item which is only worth 2 points. However another priest also has enough points. In this situation, Shiraz would win the set item and lose the points associated with it. Simple.
Now let’s speak about the situation where a specific member has enough points to allow them to take more than 1 set item piece in the same run. This is debatable, however I believe, that the normal loot rules, found here (http://forums.utassault.net/showthread.php?t=53134) should apply. If you win a blue item, you should be obligated to pass on the next item should another member have enough points to ‘buy’ it - just out of respect for the other member. If the member doesn’t have enough points to buy the set item, then simply the original person can take a 2nd piece of the set. However also keep note, if a player wishes, they may use thier Points 2 times in an instance and take the 2nd set piece as well. Hopefully this won't be done and people will respect the difficulty others have and automatically pass.
Finally, remember these points ONLY apply to set items. They don’t follow the same loot rules as normal blue items. Meaning, it’s possible for you to come out with more than 2 blue items. I strongly urge people to read the loot rules thread, linked above to make sure everyone is clear on this.
I realise this only covers set items. I know there are sometimes weapons people would like. However we will use a system of who requires the item more in these situations. We will look at the member’s weapon; see who will benefit more from an upgrade. When they win that blue, they are not entitled to roll on another “none” set item. Again following the loot rules linked above.
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Section 2 - Using points gathered for NON set blue items (specifically weapons)
I'm going to use the case of Ewok in UBRS to explain this; He came to an understanding with the other rogues that if his Shadowcraft tunic dropped, he would not use up his points (even if he had enough over the other rogues) to obtain the item. He has been holding out on his runs for the Dal Rend sword set. He has more points than any of the rogues in UBRS. He has had nothing awarded. The current rules do not cover the issues with weapons or non set item armour (rare) stuff.
Therefore, if an item drops which a specific member REALLY wants. They may override the usual N/G loot rules. A member may claim to use up some of his points he has to gain the item which he has struggled to obtain.
Now you may ask me, how much points does he lose, how is it determined when the set pieces for armour have designated point values (1-8). Simply put, the member with the most points, can buy the item. His points would then be reduced to the difference between the competing member(s). Sounds bit complicated, so lets use an example.
Ewok: 40 points bagged up.
Jbi: 24 points bagged up.
These 2 have the highest points between the competing members.
Both of them want the dal rend sword, but can use it. Both want to use thier points if possible to win the item. In this situation, Ewok wins, he has 40 points, he has 16 points more than Jbi (40-24). Therefore ewok would obtain the new sword and have his points reduced to 16. Where JBI would keep his 24 points. Got it?
If more items drop which people want to compete over. They may again use this method to try to win it. This may not be fair, a member with alot of points may win everything that drops. However at the end of it, they will have no points left and it will allow other members on other runs to overrule him.
Alternativly, if noone wants to use up thier points, it again follows the normal, roll on blue, if you win, you pass on other blues.
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Section 3 - Point usage for SET items, which are not your specific class set
This will cover the final part of any problems regarding set items which can be rolled on, I will again use an example to explain what I mean.
I'm a priest, my set is called Devout, Mages is called Magister. It's just the way Blizzard have distributed it. However, all the cloth users can use any of the 3 cloth user set items.
Let's take the example that dreadmist shoulders drop. There is a warlock with us, but they dont require it. There are 2 priests and 1 mage that would like that item. We have 2 options here;
We could 1, all roll, try out luck out and see who will win this item. (You pass if you have won a blue item already, as the normal loot rules clearly state). Alternatively, a member of the group could enforce to use thier points the item.
In this case, it would follow the section 1 class set rules, the person with the highest points will recieve it. Then have thier points reduced accordinly. In the case of shoulders, as written above, this member would lose 7 points.
Last notes, this doesn’t include anything with regards to Molten core and Onyxia, but you can bet that something similar will apply to the epic set items. This area however requires more planning and that will be discussed with the council members over the next few weeks.
Let me also stress again that there is a fundamental difference between the way normal loot works and set item drop loot works. Don’t confuse the two, they work independently 99% of the time, except in that situation above regarding more than 1 set item drop on the same run for a specific class.
--Shiraz
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