1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

#assault

Discussion in 'irc.globalgamers.net - #ut.assault' started by seas_, Jun 12, 2013.

?

Future of AS?

  1. Invite only on GlobalGamers. #assault.new for everybody.

    8.3%
  2. Invite only on QuakeNet. #assault.new for everybody.

    16.7%
  3. Everybody welcome in #assault on GlobalGamers.

    58.3%
  4. Everybody welcome in #assault on QuakeNet.

    66.7%
  5. In MLAS I want 100 new players for max exposure.

    33.3%
  6. In MLAS I want dedicated AS players only.

    8.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. seas_

    seas_ New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2005
    Messages:
    4,056
    Location:
    Austria
    Hi guys,

    this is gonna be a long read, so please stay with me:

    #utapug has had the following problems:
    - IRC server was "hidden", not much promotion, newcomers had to connect to a different server.
    - Newcomers weren't treated very nicely, because we were competitive and didn't care much.
    - Newcomers found it hard to learn maps, no instructions or anything.

    Pugbot problems there:
    - Volunteer captain mode would sometimes take half an hour to find two captains.
    - Rand captain would be afk for 10 minutes and we were all waiting.
    - Signup process was very prone to being ruined: Somebody changed nick and it was dead, somebody got disconnected and it was dead, everybody was able to do !reset and everybody was able to do !setplayers.
    - Siege and anything else that makes the server crash, that resulted in 1-2 time bugs which ruined 1-2 maps, and therefor ruined the pug itself.
    - We couldn't implement other gametypes like proAS and instaAS.


    So I contacted spydee, who coded the best pugbot I know in UT, and we was willing to help.
    But that's not something that gets done within 36h, because it's just not top priority in his life.
    And neither it was in mine. But the bot is at say 95% now, and when the last 5% are done we have this:
    - No changing nicknames to sign.
    - No !reset abuse.
    - 30secs vol capt mode then random kicks in.
    - If rand capt is afk too long he gets banned for 5 mins and pug is 11/12 again.
    - No timebug.
    - You can just sign up for whatever player amount you wanna play: 6v6, 4v4, 3v3. No asking "Are you ok with 4v4????"
    - We can play instaAS, we can play proAS, we can play naliAS, we can play lowgravAS, we can play whatever the hell we feel like playing, the bot can set it all up for us.

    Yes, I have announced earlier launches, but I thought that was necessary because Summer is coming.
    Time was a factor for me so I just, you know, ran in there.
    That hasn't ruined anything so far, it's not like you guys wouldn't play anymore if the launch was actually 2-3 weeks later.



    We have had only 1 server, which was located in the UK, in the new channel we are gonna have several servers, in UK, DE and NL. AND we can add a new one within a matter of minutes, if its set up already. SWE, FR, we can play on any server.

    That means we can play SEVERAL PUGS at a time!! 2v2 or 1v1 still going while people wanna play? No problem here!!

    NEWCOMERS, they will be helped with A) YT videos which are done for like 15 maps already. And B) with a mod that enables the FLAGS on objectives by default, so they know where to go. That mod is being done by Quasi^ and it will contain other help for newcomers.


    This was all spydee's, MyM's, Timo's and my work. That last thing is Quasi^'s work.
    We will take credit for that and I/we will expect a decent amount of appreciation for the work, because this is how it's supposed to be in my opinion. Several people have thanked me already, which I was happy about and new I respect certain people some more.

    Prize money explained:
    - I haven't contacted anybody regarding sponsorship yet, I could and possibly will do it. ASUS was named some times as a PLACEHOLDER.
    - VIP memberships on forums actually do work, many forums, for example porn forums, work very nicely with that monetization.
    - I could sponsor money myself AND/OR my internet marketing projects. As in, "MLAS is sponsored by WEBSITE.com" and I would make the money back, I am very skilled at my work and it wouldn't be a problem. What could be a problem is that it might look like I'm exploiting the community, which is not my intention.




    Why am I doing this? Do I have no life?

    I care about AS, I care about its integrity. It has been my one and only game over the years, and the community has always been there for me to play some games.
    But it's struggling in its current state, and Summer is coming. So I felt I needed to do all this here and "revamp" UTA.

    I have a life, I have friends, I go out. A little less than when I was inactive in UTA, but it's still all there.
    I am taking time off my regular work and put that time into UT AS.
    BUT I am planning on relocating to another country after this very weekend. So I wanna get everything done before that, and after that it's supposed to be running on its own.
    I am not looking to be the highest authority and everybody's go to guy, I'll want the 6+ appointed admins to handle that.


    My actions as admin so far:
    - DJ is worth very little to AS integrity and he has annoyed a lot of us, to be honest. I had plenty of fights with him and in my opinion he was a terrible admin and should have been replaced.
    He said he would "flame me to stone-age" if he wasn't admin anymore, so that and other reasons is why he won't be welcome.

    - Negative talk and pessimism I don't appreciate, so I smack that down, I do tell them to "fuck off" if they won't stop being negative. You might wanna argue about that method, but in my opinion it's the way to go, to establish trust with all the people who aren't negative. AND we do not want negative talk in the new channel, simply because the newcomers read it and possibly believe some of it.
    This is why you will either be muted or banned for 1-2+ days if you start raging in chan that UTA IS DEAD WE ARE TOO LATE FUCK ALL OF THIS.

    - Then there's the case of smant, he trashtalks too much, sure he is "smant being smant", I grasp that. But it's too much anyway. I don't want it and many other people don't want it. So either he tunes it down or he isn't welcome.



    Ok, here's where we come to the tricky part. We have the following options:

    - GlobalGamers only.
    - QuakeNet only.
    - QuakeNet AND GlobalGamers.
    - Invite only.
    - Open for Everybody.
    - #assault.new Every can play 4v4 newcomerAS in there and if they do a nice job and are nice people, they get invited.

    QN is mostly EU and GG is mostly US, but QN is sort of transitioning to GG atm, at least the process has started.
    But there's still plenty of action on QN, too.

    PACO and others run the show on GG. I have contacted him and explained my plans. I have done that in a blunt matter because that's how I do things. He disagrees with me and thinks I am a "full-blown idiot".
    He trusts smant more than me, they do more planning, which differs from my methods. I, too, do a lot of planning, however I just run in there and go DO things already, too. That looks unprofessional to PACO, but I'm not sure he grasps our situation very well, because I have been in UTA for many years and he has not.

    Either way, there's plenty of problems that we could run into.
    Possibly total chaos, having to ban 15+ people, rivalry between channels, et cetera.

    Be that is it may, I'm not entirely sure what options should be in the poll, but I'll put some in there, and see what you guys think about all this.

    Thanks for reading this.
     
  2. Prometheus

    Prometheus Προμηθεύς

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,942
    Location:
    Zagreb, Hrvatska
    tnx for trying karlito :thumb:

    and i mean it (i am a sarcastic prick but in this case i mean it)
     
  3. Morpheus

    Morpheus »MayHem«

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2001
    Messages:
    4,369
    Location:
    England
    Actually surprised by all of this. Hats off to you, well done (no sarcasm here). With all this effort and time put in I do hope something good comes of it. Will keep checking to keep myself updated.
     
  4. html

    html <B>When i grow up i wanna be like Gandalf The Grey

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Messages:
    2,171
    Location:
    Canada
    as you said you wont be around soon so i voted GG, since paco is still going to be around there and you may not.

    i prefer to have a dedicated channel for qualified ppl + a newcomers channel, that and a promised monetary reward could make assault "selective" thus worth playing, might be the bad call but i dunno thats how i feel about that particular subject.

    for the tournament i dont think newcomers will work since you have to rate all those players etc
    thats actually one of my biggest concerns for a huge wave of newcomers; why #utapug worked so well is because we all know each other and our strenght. if you have a pug with 50% + "newcomers" people wont know skill levels very well and unfair teams = boring pugs especially in assault where you can rofl stomp teams 4-0 quite quickly :/ not sure if theres a solution to that. Hopefully im just "prediciting the worst" I definitely hope all will work out. It would be a shame to see all your efforts come to nothing in the end. We'll see what does happends, thanks again for your work seas!
     
  5. seas_

    seas_ New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2005
    Messages:
    4,056
    Location:
    Austria
    I'll be around. MyM will be around, too.
     
  6. X-Bomb

    X-Bomb Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2001
    Messages:
    5,960
    Location:
    London
    Even though you hate me, hats off to you for giving your absolute full commitment to a project and seeing it through. I hope it works out the way you planned, and if you continue to put the same effort it I'm sure it will.

    Also spydee, MyM, Timo and Quasi :thumb:.
     
  7. Morpheus

    Morpheus »MayHem«

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2001
    Messages:
    4,369
    Location:
    England
    Pretty sure theyd beat everyone
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2013
  8. pogogo

    pogogo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    773
    Location:
    none
    probably qn because you get more euros there?

    even if it brings a few occasional players youd have succeeded :)

    200$ to beat twnz+wish in a 2v2? hehehe
     
  9. endgegner

    endgegner The Saviour of UTA. Worship me as DJ worships sofa

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    6,560
    It's nice of you to have created such a detailed thread, seas, it's turned your 'negative nancies' into supporters :P
    You've done great work getting the pugbot to work. For six years people have been resigned to do nothing about it because of lame excuses, but you made shit happen! Du musst nicht akzeptieren was dir uberhaupt nicht passt wenn du deinen kopf nicht nur zum tragen einer mutze hast :p:

    Can you provide more details about how the bot works, specifically does it set the server up and PM passwords like utapugbot does or does it require everyone to join server and wait 10 mins for everyone to click like other pugs and then mapvote maps? I think I might be able to code the portion that sets server up with passwords and maplist if not.

    I'm a bit concerned, however, about this random talk of PACO from you and html. For those who do not know, PACO is a Canadian admin of GlobalGamers, who will tell you that he has 'the Midas touch' when it comes to pugs and that every pug he touches 'turns to gold.' He has experience running successful cups, promoting, admining and generating activity, and is very level-headed and understands what needs to be done. He is moderately interested in having an Assault cup happen and genuinely wants to know more about LeagueAS, how we set up servers via Treacle (they seriously do not have this ability to book matches via the web like UTA has - we've been so lucky to have this for the last decade!!) and what would need to be done to make an Assault cup successful and bring in new talent. I feel though you guys might be putting a little bit too much stake in him at the moment as he hasn't said to you that he's 100% on board right now because he's running two other cups, and there are plans for another cup for siege starting around September. Since he's not a member of these forums I want to make sure that information is relayed clearly, but I obviously do not have the authority to speak on his or anyone else's behalf. Furthermore, this nonsense with the "PACO wants to work with smant and thinks I'm an idiot" or whatever is hogwash, seas simply sent a bunch of rushed PMs while drunk around 5am which simply gave the wrong impression at the time. While planning and level-headedness are essential to anything, having a vision and a goal you're willing to work towards is how progress is achieved
     
  10. Maxiz!

    Maxiz! Heather_Morris^

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    6,340
    Location:
    Stockholm
    See what I mean? smant is sensible, intelligent and humble when he wants to. He just doesn't want to very often! :sofa:
     
  11. seas_

    seas_ New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2005
    Messages:
    4,056
    Location:
    Austria
    Yes, I rush things, I like to rush things. It works. It got the bot set up and working.

    You and PACO can go plan things as much as you want. I am getting things done for the AS community.
    PACO has NOT been part of this community. I have. And you have been banned for several years.

    This is UTA. It's not your thing, or PACO's thing, it is UTAssault.net.

    We are gonna be set on QuakeNet by Sunday and that's that. If you don't launch on GG within he next week it's gonna be us who launches there, too.
     
  12. endgegner

    endgegner The Saviour of UTA. Worship me as DJ worships sofa

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    6,560
    Go fuck yourself Maxiz. By the way my phone wants to correct your name to 'nazi'
     
  13. endgegner

    endgegner The Saviour of UTA. Worship me as DJ worships sofa

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    6,560
    Seas I find it uncomfortable that you keep insisting that you think I (or anyone else) think 'this' is 'my' 'thing' or PACO's thing. I am not involved with YOUR work and you know this better than anyone else. The only reason you and html brought up PACO months ago was because he added the mod to #upug and could be helpful running cups... He's not involved though so why are people talking about him? I'm actually confused by this. I'm sure if he were to come here he'd be more confused than me :lol:
     
  14. endgegner

    endgegner The Saviour of UTA. Worship me as DJ worships sofa

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    6,560
    Having just got home and off my phone, I just noticed this comment. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Seriously, what is that supposed to mean? When has anyone talked about me launching anything on GlobalGamers or anything? Are you out of your mind? I realize you've become absurdly paranoid, but aside from MyM and I trying 2 months ago to set the bot up there and failing, you know there are no and have been no plans to do such a thing. Why do you keep insisting I'm trying to do things I'm not and going out of your way to try and single me out, discredit me and generally act like an intolerant douche while simultaneously cracking marathon-bombing jokes, not keeping your promises, and being a narcissistic wanker. :mad: :shout:

    As I have privately stated to you what seems to be a dozen times already, it is not a competition - even if there were a competition, there would be no competition, because there is no competition. You're the only person trying to do the things you're doing, and I have offered you and given you support and nothing more. As I've explained, if I've offered criticism and asked questions it's been because of the lack of details (see earlier post highlighting the contrast in people's reactions when you provide details vs. when you do not) - you cannot expect people to be on board with something if they do not know what they're getting on board with. Cut the paranoia and start working launching on GlobalGamers within the next week. You'll receive my full support, as I'm already making many Assault pugs happen there.
     
  15. seas_

    seas_ New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2005
    Messages:
    4,056
    Location:
    Austria
    Guys, smant sounds so very different on forums from what he sounds like in channels and PMs.

    #assault was open in QN already and he came in there and proceeded to do his TSM shit, repeatedly insulted me in the process and already made us look like retards.

    And in PMs he calls me "cancer of Assault" as an opening line.


    You know what these faggots do over there? PACO pastes my straightforward PMs to everybody and then smant comes back spamming me with my own quotes, demanding apologies, details and "to get my shit together".

    And then PACO doesn't even respond to me anymore and I have to deal with smant only, which is tiresome, let's put it like that.
    You arrogant American fucks.

    This is why I don't even wanna be on GlobalGamers. I care about AS but constantly dealing with those fucks over there is not a price I'm willing to pay.

    QuakeNet is different, I have many mates here and our channel is gonna be awesome.
    #assault where everybody is welcome, and #assault.pro which is invite only, like orginally planned.


    But with PACO, smant, TSM, etc I want nothing to do, I am sorry about that. This is entirely my fault, I should have seen that shit coming.
    So I either put somebody else in charge over there or they do it themselves.
    But I dunno if anybody of the people I trust can be arsed with that job.
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2013
  16. Champ`

    Champ` The Champ is here!!

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2005
    Messages:
    2,406
    Location:
    i iz From Jamaica
    sounds good seas. i hope you get some new blood involved in assault!

    i will be quite interested in playing again if theres some activity :)
     
  17. PACO

    PACO New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2013
    Messages:
    3
    Hello UTA Forums,

    FUN FACT: If you say my name three times really fast on the internet, I magically appear. Last night, my spidey senses started tingling and here I am officially introducing myself to the Assault community.

    I run the website www.globalunreal.com and am in charge of the most popular IRC pickups network (#iPug/#uPug 40-50 pickups a day between the two channels while seasons are actively running). There have been mentions of me having the Midas-touch and while it might be true, it's because I carefully select projects before committing to them. It's either all-or-nothing and if you go with all, it takes a lot of planning and work to execute it properly.

    I am not part of the Assault community. I know only a handful of you and despite my limited experience and playing-time, I can vouch that I am a big fan of the gametype. What does that mean? A lot or maybe nothing. A few weeks ago seas/smant approached me, just like others have in the past and they inquired about my interest in helping to get Assault going. I told them that I would be interested but couldn't dedicate any time over the next few weeks since I'm in the midst of helping organize three leagues and planning for some upcoming tournaments. Smant appears to understand where I was coming from, seas on the other hand has been brash, impatient and seems to be trying his absolute best to vilify me.

    If you want to be a leader.. you need to be able to handle criticism, not be divisive and stay consistent.

    [13:40] (seas`) i dont give a fuck about you or PACO
    You haven't been blunt, you have been conniving and disrespectful. Ironically enough, smant was actually sticking up for you while you were repeatedly trying to stick the knife in his back. Despite all of this, I hold no ill-will towards you and wish you the best of luck with all of your ventures. Your heart is in the right place, just need to do something about that head.

    This isn't a race or a competition. At this point in time, I'm ill-equipped with regards to time and resources for setting up a proper Assault scene, hence why I haven't pursued it. One of the guys working with me over @ www.globalunreal.com has actually been developing a new netcode for the game and until it is compatible with LeagueAS (which could be soon, take awhile, never happen), I probably wouldn't be able to work my Midas-touch to its full potential (very international scene @ GU).

    If the netcode does become properly compatible and if enough people from this community are interested in me investing my time/energy, I'll do my best to put Assault back on the map (would be a perfect addition to a tournament I'm looking to run in early 2014). Until then, it is a pleasure to meet all of you and if you would like to contact me, you know where to find me.

    Sincerely,

    PACOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
     
  18. seas_

    seas_ New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2005
    Messages:
    4,056
    Location:
    Austria
    PACO is mates with smant. And smant talks like this:

    <+smant> DISGUSTING PSYCHO PATHETIC ROTTEN MEAT SANGUICHE ASSHOLE OF THE SHIT KANGAROOS

    I, too, used to be mates with smant. But then he went fuckin nuts on me, because I had to decline his help for new pug chan, because many ppl thought he was retarded, and I made a marathon bomb joke. And when I say nuts I do mean freakin nuts. Remember XBs thread? That was a joke compared to what smant pmed me.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2013
  19. html

    html <B>When i grow up i wanna be like Gandalf The Grey

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Messages:
    2,171
    Location:
    Canada
    I html, Baron of rippers and Duke of Siege 3 hereby proclaim June 14th to be PACO's UTA-Birthday

    :bday:

    I for one welcome our new PACOPACOPACOsian overlord :bowdown:

    In all seriousness, UT99 is an awesome game, assault is an amazing mod, UTA community has done amazing stuff in the past. (pugbot leagueAS maps website forums....)
    So all I hope is that it all stays alive because it deserves to.
    No matter what happends or when/where/how it happends I'll be sure to play, at least a bit and I hope you will all do the same!
     
  20. PACO

    PACO New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2013
    Messages:
    3
    Are you really trying to discredit me with such a feeble connection? I talk with smant from time-to-time but he's hardly in my inner-circle (don't know him well enough but from our brief chats, I can safely say that I like him and his straight up attitude). The people who I do consult with who this community might know, are people like bleh who think that seas is missing more than just a few screws.

    Wait.. bleh rolls with PACO who rolls with smant... therefore, bleh = bad. I know it's a 14 year old game but it doesn't mean that we need to resort to a 14 year old's reasoning.

    [17:14] <seas-> and i actually am quite impressed by your work
    [17:14] <seas-> i know many dont appreciate it, when you do something like that
    [17:14] <seas-> but i do

    [16:42] <seas`> PACO, can i change your ut edition into ut99-PACO-AS-seas edition
    [18:01] <PACO> it's not my edition
    [18:01] <PACO> it's the chicken edition
    [18:02] <PACO> he renamed it to PACO because i made fun of him for putting his name on it
    [18:14] <seas`> k
    [18:14] <seas`> so its ok if i put your and my name in it?
    [18:15] <PACO> i don't want my name on it

    Where is the consistency? You want my name, my help and my support but now you want to discredit me when I don't see eye to eye with you? Seems a bit petty and it just reaffirms all of my decisions.

    Allo html, I'm honored by your welcoming post. I will be sure to check back on every June 14th until me or the forums go offline.